Is WWIII inevitable?

[Jun aka Pekto]

even with a high off bore sensor, why not just shoot dead ahead? It's a much more optimal firing solution. it's not like the bomber is maneuvering hard anyway.

Perhaps the F-16s were caught off-position by the speeding Su-24. The time it would have taken to reacquire lock with an optimal cone would mean the Su-24 would have been back in Syrian air space. It would be a different story if the F-16s had thrust-vectoring.

Regardless, the behavior of the Turks showed what most NATO allies have known for a while. The Turks are often too proud for their own good. If they feel they have been slighted/insulted, they'll take drastic action. It happened back in 2003 on the verge of the Iraq invasion. Someone tried to pass an Armenian Resolution back in the US. The Turks got pissed off and threw out the US forces who were headed for Iraq. It happened again I think in 2010 when US forces detained Turkish military personnel in northern Iraq and put bags on their heads. Last year, some Turks tried to accost some US sailors on shore leave and tried putting plastic bags over their heads as revenge for the 2010 incident.

I would guess the Turks found past Russian incursions into Turkish air space to be insulting. It was just a matter of time before a shoot-down occurred. Well, at least the Turks are predictable. Everybody saw this coming.

[safeorigin]

Perhaps the F-16s were caught off-position by the speeding Su-24. The time it would have taken to reacquire lock with an optimal cone would mean the Su-24 would have been back in Syrian air space. It would be a different story if the F-16s had thrust-vectoring.

and all done within 17 second window after claimed warning... Su-24 did manage to get back to Syrian air space before it was shot down, btw.

either way, we're not getting the full picture here.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Perhaps the F-16s were caught off-position by the speeding Su-24. The time it would have taken to reacquire lock with an optimal cone would mean the Su-24 would have been back in Syrian air space. It would be a different story if the F-16s had thrust-vectoring.

and all done within 17 second window after claimed warning... Su-24 did manage to get back to Syrian air space before it was shot down, btw.

either way, we're not getting the full picture here.

[Jun aka Pekto]

and all done within 17 second window after claimed warning... Su-24 did manage to get back to Syrian air space before it was shot down, btw.

either way, we're not getting the full picture here.
.

To me, the Turks wanted to make a statement which means the shoot-down was planned and taken when an opportunity came along. Too reckless for my tastes. But, the Turks do train hard. So, they're not exactly pushovers, especially with regard to their air force and navy. That's why I worry about any escalation and hope the Turkish navy isn't as reckless as their air force counterparts. They do have a number of submarines in the area.

[safeorigin]

Hmmm... looks like my assessment is true that the Russians will indeed be using the older 48N6 in the form of 48N6E3 with a range of 240 km and not the 40N6 with a range of 400 km that was being cited by BBC.

Russian S-400 missiles again boost military buildup in Syria

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said Wednesday, according to the ministry's Twitter feed, that the country would deploy S-400 defense missile systems to its Hmeymim airbase near Latakia, Syria, on the Mediterranean coast. The missiles have a range of 250 kilometers. The Turkish border, at its closest, is less than 50 kilometers away. They also seriously restrict Israel air force flights over northern Lebanon and parts of Syria.

still, the range is over kill. lol

[Ry_Tower]

To me, the Turks wanted to make a statement which means the shoot-down was planned and taken when an opportunity came along. Too reckless for my tastes. But, the Turks do train hard. So, they're not exactly pushovers, especially with regard to their air force and navy. That's why I worry about any escalation and hope the Turkish navy isn't as reckless as their air force counterparts. They do have a number of submarines in the area.

Being a NATO member, I think it even bolster their confidence. No pushovers indeed.

[ClaNker]

Being a NATO member, I think it even bolster their confidence. No pushovers indeed.

Tingnan natin kung di nga pushover si Edrogan.

[ClaNker]

First they released the cockpit audio warning the Russian planes.

Turkey releases recording of 'warning' to downed jet

Now that Putin is making them pay for it...

Turkish military says did not know downed jet was Russian

Moscow (AFP) - Turkey's military said it did not know the warplane it shot down on the Syrian border was Russian, adding that it was ready for "all kinds of cooperation" after Moscow called the incident a "planned provocation".

[minicarph]

In World War 1, nag-send ng Army ang Russia to help the Serbs in their fight against Austria. The Serbs started wW1 by assasinsting the Austrian Monarch Ferdinand

Babanatan daw nila ang turks, sabi nila sandalj lang daw mga Turks.

Turned out Wipe out ang Russian army that went to south eastern europe lol

America has allied with greatest armies that the World wars have ever produced namely, Britain, Japan, Germany and the Turks


No sense, getting riled up with these current events.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Being a NATO member, I think it even bolster their confidence. No pushovers indeed.

If the pilot of a NATO warplane deviated from the approved corridors on the flight plan and go joyriding over the Turkish countryside, the Turkish Air Force is just as likely to scramble jets and shoot that plane down. They don't care if NATO backs them up or not.

I wouldn't say Turkey is a loose cannon within NATO. But, they do their own thing which is why they manufacture many of their hardware (F-16s, armored vehicles, ships, etc) either under license or indigenous designs. They also have a thriving arms industry. If I recall, some of the Philippine military hardware come from Turkey.

Tingnan natin kung di nga pushover si Edrogan.

I said Turkey's air force and navy, not its army. Although Turkey has a very capable core in its army, it's still dependent on conscripts to fill out the bulk of its manpower. That's not the case with its air force and navy.

[minicarph]

If
I wouldn't say Turkey is a loose cannon within NATO. But, they do their own thing which is why they manufacture many of their hardware (F-16s, armored vehicles, ships, etc) either under license or indigenous designs. They also have a thriving arms industry. If I recall, some of the Philippine military hardware comes from Turkey.

.

Shotgun ko made in Turkey Akkar Karatay tactical . Dami dito nyan