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    Quote Originally Posted by erick_214 View Post
    If there is no god why do people have a sense of good and bad?

    If there is no god we will be shagging each other...

    If thre is no god, I'll be f*cking your wife and daughters...

    If there is no god all of you guys in this forum will not exist, coz someone would have killed all of you already...

    So what do you guys think? Is there there a god or not?
    If you need "God" to tell you why it's wrong to hurt other people needlessly, then you're not a very good human being.

    It's fairly simple to arrive at human rights in the absence of a Paternal, Patriarchal God.

    By logic, these rights are self-evident:

    1. The human right of life. If you do not hold this right as self-evident, you do not value your own life (as you are a human) and you can be killed. If you then say: "I value my own life, I don't give a crap about others." Then society is within its rights to kill you, as you are a danger to others.

    2. The human right to live their life as they see fit. Everyone has the right to eat what they want, sleep with whomever they want to, and act as they wish. They have the right to do the things necessary to further their own life (work, gather food) and to own property that helps them do this. This right extends only as far as themselves. They do not have the freedom to do things that will trample upon other people's rights to do these things.

    Ex. Your method of work deprives other people of property, because you are a professional thief. By logic, wrong.

    If you do not respect people's rights to freedom, then other people have no need to respect your right to these freedoms, and can take them away from you. Thus, mutual respect is in your best interest.

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    No need for God. But whether there is a God or not, it is in our best interests to respect the rights of other people and to generally treat them nice.
    Last edited by niky; September 8th, 2013 at 03:04 AM.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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