Plug (pasak) then Patch (tapal) on tire?

**dr. d** · January 5th, 2022 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by k_leos

Hi, this morning, na flat ako and I went to a car service center and saw they put plug/pasak (like spaghetti) on the hole. Pero pinalaki muna nila hole to insert it. Yet the technician couldn't insert it. Kaya linagay kunti oil to let it slip. Naka rinig ka ng ganya? But nowhere did I read in the net that it was ok to put some oil. I'm afraid it may either slip or the air inside may get into the belt/ply. What would happen if pa patch ko yun portion inside it to seal the belt/play on the plug/pasak spot?

after so many posts,
i am curious,
bakit ka pumayag sa pasak?
why not insist on the usual cold patch?

**k_leos** · January 5th, 2022 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by dr. d

after so many posts,
i am curious,
bakit ka pumayag sa pasak?
why not insist on the usual cold patch?

Kasi hindi ko alam na pasak yan. Kala ko it's a new high tech method that replaced patch already, the service center being equipped with many state of the art technology. It's European tire center. It is only after I got back that I learnt slowly na pasak pala yun (which is also called stick on, string plug, spagettic patch, pasak). After 2 weeks, it is only now that I know pasak can be successful if accompanied by right vulcanizing solution that can bind the string rubber and tire rubber as one (like original).

However, hindi mabili easily ang vulcanizing solution at any hardware, nor mabilis hanapin ang rubber cement. Ang only available is Rugby contact cement. So these may be the tires that can fail.

Basta next time na flat ako. Insist ko patch with right vulcanizing solution, hindi lang rugby. They do patches at all Yokohama service center and other big service centers like Goodyear. They can also do the string plug with the right solution. The big service centers are the right place to have patches/string plug done so you won't have to end up in isolated shops (if your vehicle is expensive enough, like Hummer).

(edit: To add. To make patch more lasting, it's better to put gum or waterproof sealant outside so flood water can't get (from outside the tire) in the belts and plies that can rust them. So what is the best sealant to apply in the outside nail size hole, etc.? This is my last question. Thanks.)

**babkalakal** · January 5th, 2022 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by k_leos

(edit: To add. To make patch more lasting, it's better to put gum or waterproof sealant outside so flood water can't get (from outside the tire) in the belts and plies that can rust them. So what is the best sealant to apply in the outside nail size hole, etc.? This is my last question. Thanks.)

to be honest you need not bother doing what you are asking. i do not see any gains you may obtain provided the repair was done properly. in all my years of driving i have some tires with as much as 2 seperate patches and not a single one failed as a direct result of the patch. this is a (too) long drawn out topic already.

**Vodka** · January 5th, 2022 11:22 PM

tire shop people are the worst LOL. they jack your car at the wrong points. they over-torque your lug nuts. they don't clean the rim where the bead interfaces if you don't tell them to (you get slow leaks if not clean and smooth). they don't mark w/ chalk the valve position (so you don't have to rebalance). when mounting new tires they don't align the valve w/ the marking (to minimize wheel weights). when applying patch they don't wait the right amount of time to dry the rubber cement

then they put saliva on the valve to check for leak, which is gross haha

needless to say i directly supervise everything they do

**k_leos** · January 6th, 2022 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Vodka

tire shop people are the worst LOL. they jack your car at the wrong points. they over-torque your lug nuts. they don't clean the rim where the bead interfaces if you don't tell them to (you get slow leaks if not clean and smooth). they don't mark w/ chalk the valve position (so you don't have to rebalance). when mounting new tires they don't align the valve w/ the marking (to minimize wheel weights). when applying patch they don't wait the right amount of time to dry the rubber cement

then they put saliva on the valve to check for leak, which is gross haha

needless to say i directly supervise everything they do

By the way, the reason the shop did my 2nd plug without taking off the tire was because baka ma damage ang suspensions by lifting it up.

Before in my Honda CRV 2004. Na damage nga suspensions by lifting the car up. They planned to lift up the car by putting the supports at the 4 suspensions during the 2nd plug fix. I was nervous because Honda CRV suspensions costs 15k each but Subaru suspensions cost 50k each and I don't have 200,000 pesos now to fix the suspensions besides adding 30k new tires for a pasak gone bad.

So what do you think is the best way to change 4 new tires. To lift the car up the suspensions supports using car lift or to jack up each tire? I asked these in the Yokokama service centers yesterday. Different branches use different techniques. Which is the safest that can't damage the strut or suspensions? And where are the right points to lift the whole car up? Sa suspensions lang ang choice or meron rin lifter that can use the car jack spots at the frame sides ba?

**dr. d** · January 6th, 2022 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by k_leos

By the way, the reason the shop did my 2nd plug without taking off the tire was because baka ma damage ang suspensions by lifting it up.

Before in my Honda CRV 2004. Na damage nga suspensions by lifting the car up. They planned to lift up the car by putting the supports at the 4 suspensions during the 2nd plug fix. I was nervous because Honda CRV suspensions costs 15k each but Subaru suspensions cost 50k each and I don't have 200,000 pesos now to fix the suspensions besides adding 30k new tires for a pasak gone bad.

So what do you think is the best way to change 4 new tires. To lift the car up the suspensions supports using car lift or to jack up each tire? I asked these in the Yokokama service centers yesterday. Different branches use different techniques. Which is the safest that can't damage the strut or suspensions? And where are the right points to lift the whole car up? Sa suspensions lang ang choice or meron rin lifter that can use the car jack spots at the frame sides ba?

the owner's manual usually indicates where the lift points are.
peruse the manual and show the shop workers, and/or make mando the shop workers as they lift your car up.
if you can't trust yourself or these workers, have the servicings on your car done at the casa na lang.

**boybi** · January 6th, 2022 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by k_leos

By the way, the reason the shop did my 2nd plug without taking off the tire was because baka ma damage ang suspensions by lifting it up.

Before in my Honda CRV 2004. Na damage nga suspensions by lifting the car up. They planned to lift up the car by putting the supports at the 4 suspensions during the 2nd plug fix. I was nervous because Honda CRV suspensions costs 15k each but Subaru suspensions cost 50k each and I don't have 200,000 pesos now to fix the suspensions besides adding 30k new tires for a pasak gone bad.

So what do you think is the best way to change 4 new tires. To lift the car up the suspensions supports using car lift or to jack up each tire? I asked these in the Yokokama service centers yesterday. Different branches use different techniques. Which is the safest that can't damage the strut or suspensions? And where are the right points to lift the whole car up? Sa suspensions lang ang choice or meron rin lifter that can use the car jack spots at the frame sides ba?

Pano nila nasira suspension? The suspension should be able to lift at least 1/4 of the weight of the car. Jacking up using the suspension dapat no problem.

It seems hindi mo first time magkaroon ng kotse, and yet napaka clueless mo sa gulong.

**shadow** · January 6th, 2022 10:55 AM

Hahaha napunta na sa suspension.

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**uls** · January 6th, 2022 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by boybi

Pano nila nasira suspension? The suspension should be able to lift at least 1/4 of the weight of the car. Jacking up using the suspension dapat no problem.

It seems hindi mo first time magkaroon ng kotse, and yet napaka clueless mo sa gulong.

masyado madami multo sa isip

siguro dahil sa financial situation niya lahat ng gagawin sa kotse ingat na ingat

how can suspension get damaged by jacking the car?

so pag na-flat at mag palit ng gulong masisira suspension?

wtf

**uls** · January 6th, 2022 11:05 AM

actually lalo siya napapagastos dahil sa mga multo sa isip

google nang google tapos kung ano ano binili sa lazada/shopee para lang matahimik mga multo

pero di siya patatahimikin kasi sooner or later may ibang bagay mag mumulto sa kanya

psychological na yan doods

pano pag brand new na lahat ng gulong... tapos ilan araw palang may nakita pako nakatusok?

baka mag nervous breakdown

pano pag habang nagmamaneho nalubak nang malalim... sira na ang araw...