ISSUES FOR THE MONTERO SPORT. Please post them here.

**kageogie** · August 2nd, 2011 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by 111prez

let's see the data

total MS sold in 2009 - 8,092
total MS sold in 2010 - 12,247
(source: top gear)

total MS sales 2009 and 2010 - 20,339
total incidents of sudden acceleration/brake problems so far - 4

percentage of total incidents to total MS sales - .0002% (rounded off)

Are you sure about this?..

**Autobeat** · August 2nd, 2011 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by kageogie

nasakatan ang driver kasi sumabog sa face nya ang airbag and sa garage klng nangyari at not outside.No comment ang Mitsu casa and sila mismo hindi makapaniwala na magkakaganun.Though may mga kilala kami na owner din ng monty and same isyu, na bigla na lang daw humaharabas sya.Something to do with the accelerator siguro, not really about it ,just guessing.Kasi even the insurance is very quiet about it.Declared ko siya total loss.

If you haven't yet seen this site, you may want to get in touch and share info with fellow MS owners with possible similar issue with what you experienced with your MS: Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents

7 reported cases already at the site. Your case makes 8, and if the fellow MS owner you mentioned is yet another case, not yet listed in the site, then that could be 9.

**Autobeat** · August 3rd, 2011 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Walter

Driver panicked, steps on accelerator instead of brakes. Obviously he won't tell owner what really happened and blames the car. Same story with the other sudden acceleration cases, human error.

Yes, this should always be a possibility in cases like these. The other possibility being some sort of momentary electronics failure.

Assuming all cases were driver errors, question is why the current pattern with the MS, than other models? Is there some lack of driver error proofing in the MS design, that other models have?

**111prez** · August 3rd, 2011 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by kageogie

Are you sure about this?..

data is from top gear

incidents is from that reported in this thread

but let's tweak a bit

lets assume 50 incidents. and to give a bit of accuracy, lets say 200 monteros have been sold from jan 2011 - jul 2011

so this means:

total MS sales 2009 and 2010 - 20,339 (top gear data)
total MS sales jan - jul 2011- 200 (assumption)
total MS sales to date - 20,539

total incidents of sudden acceleration/brake problems - 50 (assumption)

percentage of total incidents to total MS sales - .002% (rounded off)

so far, based on this thread, there are 9 incidents

paabutin muna natin ng 50 para magiging .002% and assuming sales of the MS have stagnated at 200 units by then

**easyman3** · August 3rd, 2011 11:31 AM

The percentage maybe too small but if it is true that this is computer glitch then are we going to just accept it as is without negligent liability? In law, a peron may commit a criminal negligence or a crime at 0.0002% in his lifetime but he will not be exempted from the liability if he commits it. A crime is a crime. A liability is a liability regardless of its significance.

My point is that if this is a product defect, not human error, Mitsu must be held accountable.

Your point is that because the incidents are too small in percentage, the cause is human error. Fallacy!! It does not follow.

Originally Posted by 111prez

data is from top gear

incidents is from that reported in this thread

but let's tweak a bit

lets assume 50 incidents. and to give a bit of accuracy, lets say 200 monteros have been sold from jan 2011 - jul 2011

so this means:

total MS sales 2009 and 2010 - 20,339 (top gear data)
total MS sales jan - jul 2011- 200 (assumption)
total MS sales to date - 20,539

total incidents of sudden acceleration/brake problems - 50 (assumption)

percentage of total incidents to total MS sales - .002% (rounded off)

so far, based on this thread, there are 9 incidents

paabutin muna natin ng 50 para magiging .002% and assuming sales of the MS have stagnated at 200 units by then

**easyman3** · August 3rd, 2011 11:35 AM

You are correct. other cars do not have the insignificant accidents (00.0002%). Conclusion: something wrong with all the drivers of montero only or something wrong with all montero only. Your guess is as good as mine.

Originally Posted by Autobeat

Yes, this should always be a possibility in cases like these. The other possibility being some sort of momentary electronics failure.

Assuming all cases were driver errors, question is why the current pattern with the MS, than other models? Is there some lack of driver error proofing in the MS design, that other models have?

**easyman3** · August 3rd, 2011 11:57 AM

engine wont start at drive position. otherwise, defective yan.
park position...start engine without steping on the brake peddal.....engine running...shift to drive....the car statrs to run....either you step on the accelerator or the brake...there you go.

Originally Posted by katana

ha ha ha.... funny things they always blaming the brake not working and the same time experienced sudden acceleration. mmmmmm.... so that's the answer, stepping on accelerator instead of brake! i think most of this drivers don't know how to use automatic transmission. always from start up engine encountered sudden acceleration. maybe because they like to rev up the engine (warm up the engine) and thought the knob shift in neutral position but he/she accidentally shift in drive position. so, driver panicked. ha hay..... kawawa naman mga may-ari ng sasakyan.

**badsekktor** · August 3rd, 2011 12:48 PM

almost a year with my MS, wala na yun thug sound na nararamdaman ko.

headlight moist happens during heavy rains

experienced the same thing with aircon as sir easyman3. (twice only)

backing sensor does not beep unless very near na yun obstacle.

Other issue would be engine is much noisier after change oil with casa pero baka issue with oil yun, since mukhang mas ok yun ginamit ko na oil sa pajero (repsol)

**111prez** · August 3rd, 2011 03:13 PM

while i sympathize with all those who have problems with their montys and by all means i would even raise hell with the dealer/manufacturer, the data i showed simply tells me that this is not a widespread problem nor does it point to any lemon/manufacturing issue worthy of a recall.

the data tilts towards driver error or failure to understand the transmission system of the invecs II engine

as for me, i have no problems with my unit, plain and simple

i hope that those who have problems will be able to resolve this but until then, i am fully satisfied and safe driving my monty

**katana** · August 3rd, 2011 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by easyman3

engine wont start at drive position. otherwise, defective yan.
park position...start engine without steping on the brake peddal.....engine running...shift to drive....the car statrs to run....either you step on the accelerator or the brake...there you go.

what i meant on that is the engine has started and the driver shift from park to neutral and he thought to have shifted to neutral but he/she accidentally engaged in drive position. now, he tried to warm up by revving the engine causing a sudden forward motion and makes the driver panicked. beside, brake system not working???? assuming, a sudden acceleration happened and he stepped hard on the brakes, the front tire must have hold or not turning while the rear tire must be spinning hard enable the vehicle to move forward. question, how can a vehicle have enough momentum in short distance inflict a great damage. sir, i hope that's the reason of sudden acceleration. unless there's something wrong with the engine and brake system (electrical, mechanical and electronics).