2011 Mitsubishi Montero Sport [ARCHIVED]

[md_alcapone]

Not that bumpy compared to Fortuners. If were to compare everest and monty, mas hindi bumpy yun monty. Haven't tried fort eh...

how about sa korean cars po? like SF, Sorento, etc

thanks a lot

[Expatio]

It will not require an expert or a trained eye to determine which has the better and lower center of gravity.

Even an expert or trained eye cannot actually determine as such a big proportion of the weight is in the engine and drivetrain and its position.

I need not elaborate more as it is obvious. In general, the higher the ground clearance, the higher the center of gravity, thus, the higher the chances for a roll over. .

Not necessary, The height of the main weight of the vehicle is much more critical; ie the drivetrain and engine. Of course the CG changes as more weight is applied.

When I said that "having a VGT in the 2011 MS may border already on the unsafe side", what I meant was that "in the event that owner's/driver's be tempted or tried maneuvering during high speed runs of the MS the risk of a roll-over is magnified and higher.".

What you said and what you meant to say differ substantially. What you meant to say applies to all high vehicles in both the CUV and SUV classes including the Santa Fe. As the Santa Fe is more carlike and faster you will be more inclined to get into this position

This is because owners of the 2011 MS may be tempted even more to overspeed because of the higher HP and torque under the MS's hood. Sometimes, new-found power is hard to contain. If you may read it right, it was just a word of caution.

Are you serious. Do you actually think the new owners of the 2011 MS are less skilled than the Santa Fe drivers. You are presuming that the new owners, are owners of the previous non-vgt and have never driven anything as powerful as 178hp. So the Santa Fe drivers have all gone to a special school to deal with a high up car that is 190 hp. Afterall the Santa Fe has a high cg (compared to a saloon) and higher power than an MS

I just hope and prayed that by increasing the HP and torque of the 2011 MS Mitsubishi engineers considered the general dynamics of the chassis, frame, suspension, etc. of the MS..

OMG you keep going on and on and now you are praying for the owners of the new MS as if they were doomed. The 178PS engine is no big deal. It's used on the strada and challenger elsewhere

Other's may not share the same opinion, but the mere stance alone by the MS, as well as the other SUV's in the local market having higher ground clearance already invokes higher center of gravity, thus, higher probability of a roll-over...

The MS may well have a a higher CG (or maybe not), but not just for the reasons you give. The ground clearance has no direct bearing on the CG. The CG is an imagainary line (or a point if you want twin axis CG) and on this line the weight below is equal to that above. The best way to get your CG lower is to put as much weight lower down as possible (double decker buses for example). Motor designers will try to seat the engine and rest of drivetrain as low as possible. Cars with live rear axles usually gain on this front.

Nonetheless, chances of a Ferrari F60 rolling-over is very very low or almost impossible as it is basically designed to stick to the road and attack curves and chicanes easily at incredible speed. Pardon for the Ferrari thing!

My example was not about type of accident but type of driver

I beg to disagree also that an SUV designed and built to be more-car like (actually, it is more of a CUV, but with the stance and capability of an SUV and having a car-like manners and handling) is more dangerous. The opposite, as the SUV-CUV will be more likely to be safe as it will handle better than an SUV on a ladder-frame chassis.

Most experts would disagree, the range-rover roll overs being a perfect example. The more carlike they made it the more roll overs.

On the Land Rover roll-over incidents you mentioned, I rather not comment on that as there are only a handful of Land Rovers in the Philippines, thus, not applicable and not worth of enyone's time. MS and Fortuners are so manny.

Well there are plenty of ladder chassis vehicles around the world with 178PS+ and without any such problems; the old early 90s vgt di-d and v6 3.5 pajeros/shoguns for instance

In the end, what I posted was only a word of advice to take the required caution on the 2011 MS and even the current MS based on the factors above. It's up to you guys and gals to decide. The word "Montero" itself means "Mountain Warrior", which is self-explanatory. Just be careful when driving on-road. I have considered getting the MS, Fortuner, and CX7 before in 2010 but settled for another SUV-CUV after months of researches and testing.

For the prospective buyers, if you will care to consider, please try to check further. Personally, strange it may seem- "it is the car that will choose the owner/driver." Peace!

Warm regards.

Maybe it is the way you put your words together, Sir Medallian, but if we didn't know differently, we would think you were a HARI spin doctor. I am glad you like your SF, but I think if the VGT MS was out when you bought yours you would have bought the MS instead. I know you wont admit it; but we know
Warm Regards to you also

[nocturnalwasabi]

1.398m GLS montero sport
vs
1.368m GlS Tucson......

dual exhaust ba ang 2011 montero sport like sa santa fe and captiva?

sir, hindi pa po official ang mga prices na nka-post dito. these are prices are assumptions and estimates of dealers so they can already take in reservations.

[Medallion]

At Expatio,

No thanks. Not even with the new VGT installed in the 2011 MS I would reconsider again an MS. Or even if you put the SF's 2.2 Li CRDi R-eVGT engine under the hood of the MS. Same dog different colar. Once you have driven an SF you will stick to it.

"No offense meant to MS owners since it was Expatio who brought up that as he knows that my preference only is on the power and torque area." As what I posted previously, MS is a good SUV. What I just brought up was the center of gravity and higher ground clearance of the MS that may affect the maneuverability of the 2011 MS during high speed runs, moreso, just in case of emergency avoidance maneuvering now that a much powerful engine with higher torque will be under its hood. If Expatio believe so that the center of gravity and ground clearance of the MS are fine, so let him believe it. But other people have the right to know and explore which is which.

Do not put words into my mouth. As you see things and understand words and statements differently. I am starting to presume that you may not be from the Philippines or I may be wrong. Whenever I decide to get an automobile I made it a point to choose and select with an open mind regardless of the brand. The car will speak for itself and not only because it is popular or so many people are buying it. However, buyers have their own preferences and reasons for buying depending on their needs. We have no right to question them. But we can offer advices and additional inputs, which car buyers can consider.

Why utter words like "spin doctor for HARI". Did your read something in my post with me endorsing Hyundai cars? I never did and I have no intention of doing so. It is not my job as it Hyundai's staff who should do. Have I posted prospected owners to consider or buy the Santa Fe or any Hyundai car?! I did not, as we have to let buyers to decide. I have Nissan, Honda, and Chevrolet because I believe on these cars and I am not endorsing them so as to let the buyers decide. If a buyer like the MS or any Mitsubishi car/s, then he/she should buy one, period.

If you would care or has the time, just read Botchi Santos' latest write-up on SUV treats-Wrong Car Right Car at www.topgear.com.ph. On second thought, I know you would not since you will not like what you will read. Peace!

Warm regards.

[georgeD]

ask lang po ako, hindi ba bumpy ang ride ng monty? how abotu ibang suv's?

between montero, everest and fortuner which are on the same SUV category, montero wins in driving comfort... try to test-drive all so you will know...

comparing it with tucson, SF, captiva, forrester, which are CUV or carlike-SUVs, of course the CUV wins...

but i still like the montero for its high ground clearance and power when climbing...

[Expatio]

At Expatio,

No thanks. Not even with the new VGT installed in the 2011 MS I would reconsider again an MS. Or even if you put the SF's 2.2 Li CRDi R-eVGT engine under the hood of the MS. Same dog different colar. Once you have driven an SF you will stick to it.

"No offense meant to MS owners since it was Expatio who brought up that as he knows that my preference only is on the power and torque area." As what I posted previously, MS is a good SUV. What I just brought up was the center of gravity and higher ground clearance of the MS that may affect the maneuverability of the 2011 MS during high speed runs, moreso, just in case of emergency avoidance maneuvering now that a much powerful engine with higher torque will be under its hood. If Expatio believe so that the center of gravity and ground clearance of the MS are fine, so let him believe it. But other people have the right to know and explore which is which.

Do not put words into my mouth. As you see things and understand words and statements differently. I am starting to presume that you may not be from the Philippines or I may be wrong. Whenever I decide to get an automobile I made it a point to choose and select with an open mind regardless of the brand. The car will speak for itself and not only because it is popular or so many people are buying it. However, buyers have their own preferences and reasons for buying depending on their needs. We have no right to question them. But we can offer advices and additional inputs, which car buyers can consider.

Why utter words like "spin doctor for HARI". Did your read something in my post with me endorsing Hyundai cars? I never did and I have no intention of doing so. It is not my job as it Hyundai's staff who should do. Have I posted prospected owners to consider or buy the Santa Fe or any Hyundai car?! I did not, as we have to let buyers to decide. I have Nissan, Honda, and Chevrolet because I believe on these cars and I am not endorsing them so as to let the buyers decide. If a buyer like the MS or any Mitsubishi car/s, then he/she should buy one, period.

If you would care or has the time, just read Botchi Santos' latest write-up on SUV treats-Wrong Car Right Car at www.topgear.com.ph. On second thought, I know you would not since you will not like what you will read. Peace!

Warm regards.

Of course I am not from The Philippines, but I do live here. I thought that that was obvious from my name here, and is also mentioned back further on this thread . But I do not see why that has any bearing on the matter.

I have owned several SUVs including first Pajero and second Pajero (both ladder chassis). Had (still have) a sports car and a SUV back home. I would consider myself a mature driver, but I do not drive slowly.

I have driven Ferrari's (not F60 and not mine (308 and mondial)) in the past and they are difficult.

The spin doctor for HARI statement I wrote was tongue in cheek. Read again; and see what preceeded it and the smiley afterwards .

Warm Regards

[Walter]

Its too hot and too dirty in the Philippines so sunroof is not ideal they did not increase their price that much so its quite impossible to put extra aesthetics.

This was said in jest.

[Expatio]

This was said in jest.

You sure. I wouldn't open a sunroof here (E Visayas) on the main highway.

[Medallion]

At Expatio,

I didn't back read, but I sensed that you are not from the Philippines because of your chosen words, as well as your username that may indicate an expat for "Expatio". You being a foreigner has a bearing in this discussion as your perception of the local Philippine market, buyers' preference, and Filipino's knowledge about cars may be different. At least I know now. Driver's maturity has never been questioned in this thread, thus, you need not to emphasize. Moreso, state that you are not a slow driver. Driving slow or fast is up to the driver but should be within the speed allowed by law, and everyone should be mindful of others safety on the road. Regardless of what car you are driving, driving courteously, defensively, and carefully shall always be kept in mind.

Enjoy driving and have fun on your 2011 MS. See you on the road soon.

Warm regards.

[rmsoriano]

eVGT. Wow.
I presume you understand the difference between real VGT (mechanical) and eVGT (computer controlled). The former more expensive mechanical vgt is controlled by a pressure sensor in the manifold which opens and closes the vanes on the turbo depending on manifold pressure (power required). The latter eVGT is controlled by a wire from the computer. Some people claim it is more efficient IMO it still just opens and closes as you accelerate and decelerate.

Before Hyundai used to boast that they had a crdi engine (like they invented it) when in fact Mitsubishi has crdi (DI-D) for 12 years as has many European manufacturers.

ok sir, I am just confused when you quoted this, "I presume you understand the difference between real VGT (mechanical) and eVGT (computer controlled)", and my understanding is that both of them are being controlled by an ECU, a microcomputer based controller.