Car TRUE value? how much is your car without markup?

**philsat** · April 16th, 2015 11:39 AM

I accept your info. May na contra ba ako? Nag lagay ako ng na 600 to 450. Mali ba yun? Opinion ko po yun. Hindi po ba pwd mag bigay ng palagay? Paki basa po. Masama ba na e suggest na parang uratex ang car na pwd bilhin sa factory..

**philsat** · April 16th, 2015 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17

*philsat, kung iniintindi mo kasi mismo yung topic mo mismo na binubuksan o yung sinisimulan mo na usapan, sana naman may nadampot ka na na info na tama. Kaso ayaw mo kasi intindihin kaya wala pinatutunguhan.

Binasa mo ba post ko o hindi mo naintindihan?

Yung sinasabi mo 600k php SRP na 450k php ang value is how many percent? That is 75% or SRP.

Panu siya nagapply sa pinost ko n may kinalaman sa excise tax? Simple, yung value ng car falls under a lower bracket (kung binasa mo sana naintindihan mo kaagad, hindi paulit ulit yung usapan). 2% lang excise tax niya instead of yung between sub 1mphp na inassume ko 900k SRP na 6.5% ang excise tax.

So there is a more or less difference of 4.5% on excise tax alone, followed by a smaller footprint to store the equipment as well as most likely smaller chassis hence allowing for shipping more in the same volume container.

But for arguments sake, dun sa assumption na na 60-65% yung value ng car from the factory, we can add 5% so that falls in line with a 65% to 70% for the sub 500k php value car (not SRP).

At 600k php SRP, 70% is about 420k, close to your figure already. So gets mo na ba?

Hindi kelangan paulit ulit, binigay na nga sa iyo yung research ala spoon feeding, hindi mo naman inintindi e di nasayang lang.

Pano yung discrepancy sa 30k then? That's where the variance comes in as we don't know complete details of every dealer in the land. But it gives you already the idea. But I would more or less understand if the profit margin is higher than 6% as the peso value is lower for this price point.

So stop repeating, the answer is already in this thread.

IF you really wanted to learn, you will read and UNDERSTAND what is being said. Hindi read and REJECT.

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Sir na kontra ba kita? Masama ba mag bigay ng palagay.. 450 to 650? I think hindi din ako nag tanong sayo or contra sayo.. Tama po ba?

**philsat** · April 16th, 2015 11:47 AM

Sabi ko nga e. Admin bantay.. Tama?
They always try to do debate on me. I tryto be nice and respect everyone.. Ang mag bigay ng 450k to 650k.. E hindi pwd? Ang mag bigay na parang uratex na lang bilhin ang car e hindi din pwd?
Ano na lang pwd. Idea ninyong lahat..

**17Sphynx17** · April 16th, 2015 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by philsat

Sir na kontra ba kita? Masama ba mag bigay ng palagay.. 450 to 650? I think hindi din ako nag tanong sayo or contra sayo.. Tama po ba?

Okay fine, so basically kung may sagot sa tanong pala hindi mo iinitindihin, nonsense mo pa din paninindigan ko without basis.

Tama din ba ginagawa mo na no basis pero tulak ka ng tulak dito? May sagot na malinaw na nga, hindi mo initindi nga.

Hindi foam ng kama ang kotse, hindi ito manufactured dito at hindi lang gawa sa isang piyesa/material.

E di wag ka na bumili ng kotse hangga't hindi ala uratex yung bentahan ng kotse.

End of story.

Kung 450k lang budget mo, e di bumili ka second hand na pasok sa budget o brand new na pasok sa budget.

Hindi nga pwede yung sinasabi mo dito dahil walang MANUFACTURING dito ng complete car parts. ASSEMBLY lang. Alam mo ba difference ng ASSEMBLY and MANUFACTURING? May dictionary online, paki basa. CBU and CKD dito paki hanap para maintindihan mo difference nung dalawa.

Please lang po, magaral ka kasi muna before ka magsatsat diyan, parang di elementary student ka magisip diyan, spoonfeeding info, internet available for additional info before mouthing off online.. but still... ERROR 404 utak mo.

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**philsat** · April 16th, 2015 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17

Okay fine, so basically kung may sagot sa tanong pala hindi mo iinitindihin, nonsense mo pa din paninindigan ko without basis.

Tama din ba ginagawa mo na no basis pero tulak ka ng tulak dito? May sagot na malinaw na nga, hindi mo initindi nga.

Hindi foam ng kama ang kotse, hindi ito manufactured dito at hindi lang gawa sa isang piyesa/material.

E di wag ka na bumili ng kotse hangga't hindi ala uratex yung bentahan ng kotse.

End of story.

Kung 450k lang budget mo, e di bumili ka second hand na pasok sa budget o brand new na pasok sa budget.

Hindi nga pwede yung sinasabi mo dito dahil walang MANUFACTURING dito ng complete car parts. ASSEMBLY lang. Alam mo ba difference ng ASSEMBLY and MANUFACTURING? May dictionary online, paki basa. CBU and CKD dito paki hanap para maintindihan mo difference nung dalawa.

Please lang po, magaral ka kasi muna before ka magsatsat diyan, parang di elementary student ka magisip diyan, spoonfeeding info, internet available for additional info before mouthing off online.. but still... ERROR 404 utak mo.

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Sir ito lang statement ko. Basahin mo ulit.

"Ang 600k daw na car e pag kinuha sa planta e 450k lang daw yan.."
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Ang tanong ko.
Alam mo yung word na "DAW"?
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Sir sa uratex at car e opinion ko lang.. Sinabi ko ba na pwd talaga yun? Kung pwd sana. Wish. Diba?

Magaling ka sir. You have the data..hindi naman ako nag dis agree sayo? Tama. Sinabi ko ba na mali ang mga % mo..? Actually binasa ko yan lahat at inintindi para malaman ko ang kalakaran sa mundo ng car.. Panu ba kumikita ang isang dealer at manufacturer.

**EQAddict** · April 16th, 2015 12:12 PM

The spelling and grammar skills being displayed here by the TS are epic. Both in tagalog and in english. My eyes are bleeding.

BUT...... Im enjoying this enormously.

**philsat** · April 16th, 2015 12:20 PM

Sir and maam admin. Pag isipan ninyo kung ako gumagawa ng gulo... Basahin ninyo kung saan nag simula..

Then post your statement.. If nakita ninyo na ako nag simula. Ban me.

Hindi ko kasalan na mag tanong para ma realize nila na mali sila.. Ang problem pag nag tanong ako e hindi nila sasagutin para maka iwas sa pagka pahiya. Tama?

**EQAddict** · April 16th, 2015 12:24 PM

Google is your friend. The definitive answer from a respected business magazine - Forbes magazine.

The Surprising Ways Car Dealers Make The Most Money Off You - Forbes

Click the link for your answer. Basically it says:

1. Car dealerships make the most money from repair, labor and spare parts. This is by far the reason why they are in business.
2. Number two is financing and insurance profit.
3. Margins on car sales are in single digits. Sometimes in very low single digits.

Iyan ha. Hope this answers your question and if you are thinking you can save Big money buying direct (which wont happen anyway unless Tesla comes to the philippines), you wont save much.

**cast_no_shadow** · April 16th, 2015 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by EQAddict

The spelling and grammar skills being displayed here by the TS are epic. Both in tagalog and in english. My eyes are bleeding.

BUT...... Im enjoying this enormously.

And his claims of being superior than the rest of guys/gals here.

Epic!

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**17Sphynx17** · April 16th, 2015 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by philsat

Sir and maam admin. Pag isipan ninyo kung ako gumagawa ng gulo... Basahin ninyo kung saan nag simula..

Then post your statement.. If nakita ninyo na ako nag simula. Ban me.

Hindi ko kasalan na mag tanong para ma realize nila na mali sila.. Ang problem pag nag tanong ako e hindi nila sasagutin para maka iwas sa pagka pahiya. Tama?

Oh my god! Pano nga sila mali sa sinasabi nila?! Nasagot na tanong mo page 1 pa lang. Lintik na bata ka.

Ano sabi mo, wish mo na parang uratex diba? Okay noted nung nabasa yung thread, pero ilang beses mo inulit yung "wish" mo na dapat parang uratex lang?

May sagot na nga yung tanong e. Alam mo na, e bakit ba paulit ulit ka pa din, nasagot na nga. Magiisip ka lang more or less pag dating sa ibang modelo, expand knowledge and research lao pag hindi ASEAN region, KPEPA or JPEPA applicable yung kotse na dumating.

May source link para magresearch ka. TAPOS NA ANG USAPAN.

Wala naman sa amin mali sinabi, may mga pananaw na nagsabi more than 6% markup, that's fine. Pero since walang basis mapost/marefer to, hindi din naman nila inulit ulit, pero ikaw, ulit ka pa din ng ulit na dapat parang uratex. WALA NGA TAYONG MANUFACTURING ng kotse. NAgpull out yung ibang players dahil sa hina ng government support.

Nagbabasa ka din ba news? mukhang hindi din kasi kaya hindi mo din alam na hanggang ngayon wla pa din final car manufacturing road map ang Aquino Administration so wala na mangyayari sa current state, wait for next admin most likely to see whether may development ulit on that front, as it stands, all applicable laws are in place/play, taxes are fixed unless there are changes so wala na pwedeng idagdag.

Kung naintindihan mo, reply with "YES" only. Afterwards, tama na sa kahibangan mo. Ang importante may natutunan ka kahit papano. Pero wag ka na maguulit sa "uratex" statement mo at mga "daw" statement mo dahil may facts na nasagot.

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