Annulment..

[5000rpm]

Good day.. do you have any idea if the catholic churches here in the philippines have centralized records of their documents? I just would like to know if for example I got married in Sto domingo church in QC, will Manila Cathedral in Intramuros also have a record?

I asked this because my girlfriend had just finished her annulment civilly.. and was suppose to undergo the process of church annulment, but we felt that what the church was asking for is kinda too much, not about the cost, but the requirements that they were asking..

That lead me thinking to IF, and i am hoping, the church does not have centralized records, then maybe we can get married in a different church?

[Lew_Alcindor]

Yes they have a centralized record.

I suggest not doing the church annulment. It is the most difficult thing to do. Mauubos lang oras niyo jan. Pari kausap niyo jan, hindi mga attorney.

I dont get the point of marrying her in a church in another location but same sect. Doing so is obviously against the teaching of that church (or in any religion for that matter) and you do not want to start your married life by cheating, right?

[5000rpm]

Garden or beach wedding with a priest will also be considered as church wedding right?

[Juan Martinez]

Garden or beach wedding with a priest will also be considered as church wedding right?

that's right.
but without the certificate of finality (i don't want to rain in your parade though), no local civil registrar in his right mind will issue a marriage license if to his knowledge there is a legal impediment between the parties to contract marriage.

[5000rpm]

*Juan Martinez

Thank you for the detailed reply.. but as confirmed by sir Lew on his previous post, churches have centralized records of their documents, thus evey marriage made will be documented.. I would like to clarify sir, you have mentioned that if we already have the certificate of finality, we no longer need to file annulment with the church, and we can get married. But will this cause any problem if we did decide to have a church wedding? I get the point of sir Lew with regards to this matter, but I also want to know if there will be any problems legally that could come up?

[Lew_Alcindor]

*Juan Martinez

Thank you for the detailed reply.. but as confirmed by sir Lew on his previous post, churches have centralized records of their documents, thus evey marriage made will be documented.. I would like to clarify sir, you have mentioned that if we already have the certificate of finality, we no longer need to file annulment with the church, and we can get married. But will this cause any problem if we did decide to have a church wedding? I get the point of sir Lew with regards to this matter, but I also want to know if there will be any problems legally that could come up?

AFAIK, the law doesnt care if your marriage is not annulled under the church. Ang mahalaga, annulled siya/ikaw sa ilalim ng batas ng Pilipinas.

BUT kung hindi ka annulled sa ilalim ng batas ng simbahan, hindi ka pwede pakasal uli sa kanila.

To summarize: Annulled sa ilalim ng batas ng Pilipinas pero hindi sa simbahan --> pwede pakasal uli pero hindi pwede sa same church/religion.

I get that you want a church wedding, but you have to face the reality na mahirap magpa-annul sa Catholic Church. Si Mega Star Sharon nga hindi ata umubra sa RC church eh. Santo Papa ang nag-aannul ng RC marriage.

[Juan Martinez]

*Juan Martinez

Thank you for the detailed reply.. but as confirmed by sir Lew on his previous post, churches have centralized records of their documents, thus evey marriage made will be documented.. I would like to clarify sir, you have mentioned that if we already have the certificate of finality, we no longer need to file annulment with the church, and we can get married. But will this cause any problem if we did decide to have a church wedding? I get the point of sir Lew with regards to this matter, but I also want to know if there will be any problems legally that could come up?

tama si kareem abdul -jabbar a.k.a. lew alcindor.

separation of church and state-- render unto cesar what are cesar's.

your gf needs to obtain annulment decree from the ecclesiastical tribunal of the roman catholic church before the two of you could walk in the aisle of the church and tie the knot.

but, if you can't wait that tedious process, why not go to the judge or the municipal mayor in your place? love isn't picky and marriage is no less holy because it wasn't solemnized by a priest. plus, you can choose wherever you want to get married-- beach or garden-- so long as it is within the territorial jurisdiction of the judge or mayor.

and, if i may add, priests, because many tend to sow their wild oats on the wayside, are endangered species. they are on the firing line now, and nobody wants within the proximity of that line.

[Lew_Alcindor]

Garden or beach wedding with a priest will also be considered as church wedding right?

Wedding on a beach is a beach wedding. If in a garden, that is a garden wedding. Get the drift???

If both of you are Catholics, the Catholic church does not allow their priests to officiate a wedding outside of a church/chapel.

Might as well shift to another religion if you insist on a wedding with a religious ceremony (can be in a church or garden or beach)

Or pakasal na lang sa judge.

[_Cathy_]

Wedding on a beach is a beach wedding. If in a garden, that is a garden wedding. Get the drift???

If both of you are Catholics, the Catholic church does not allow their priests to officiate a wedding outside of a church/chapel.

Might as well shift to another religion if you insist on a wedding with a religious ceremony (can be in a church or garden or beach)

Or pakasal na lang sa judge.

This is the same thing that my family told me. The Roman Catholic church does not allow weddings outside the Church/chapel.

Kaya yung mga beach and garden wedding, hindi Roman Catholic yan.

To summarize: Annulled sa ilalim ng batas ng Pilipinas pero hindi sa simbahan --> pwede pakasal uli pero hindi pwede sa same church/religion.

I get that you want a church wedding, but you have to face the reality na mahirap magpa-annul sa Catholic Church. Si Mega Star Sharon nga hindi ata umubra sa RC church eh. Santo Papa ang nag-aannul ng RC marriage.

+1000

I went out with a guy who is annuled. My friends discouraged me because they said "hindi ka pwede pakasalan sa simbahan" I had no idea back then na iba pa ang annulment ng civil sa RC. When I asked him he said, napakahirap nga daw pa annul sa RC.

[ice15]

I agree with the earlier posts...

Just "temporarily" change religion to protestant and get married in a beach or garden... something Catholics cannot do.

Technically, Catholics are also technically not allowed to have Civil wedding... hence binabago nila religion ng lalaki para the marriage can take place.