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    July 13th, 2017 04:06 PM #921
    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Some of my staff's cars have gone over 200,000 km in under 10 years and have been fed with nothing but ordinary E10 unleaded. No corrosion whatsoever in the fuel lines and no engine damage as well.

    But if you want to make Petron even richer by paying P4.50/L more (that's an extra 180 pesos per full tank) for no other reason than going ethanol-free, go ahead. 😂

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    good facts bro

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    stick with facts... your fear of e10 is completely unnecessary.

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    July 13th, 2017 04:17 PM #922
    Thanks for all the inputs and patience.. and sorry na din for being so naive about this... hehe

    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Some of my staff's cars have gone over 200,000 km in under 10 years and have been fed with nothing but ordinary E10 unleaded. No corrosion whatsoever in the fuel lines and no engine damage as well.

    But if you want to make Petron even richer by paying P4.50/L more (that's an extra 180 pesos per full tank) for no other reason than going ethanol-free, go ahead. 😂

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    good facts bro

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    stick with facts... your fear of e10 is completely unnecessary.

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    November 9th, 2019 04:08 AM #923
    Quote Originally Posted by buknoy2002 View Post
    ang tanong ko e

    ok lang ba sa lahat ng cars?
    and magkano per liter
    and me difference ba sa performance? baka mura pero me knock naman...
    and me difference ba sa performance? baka mura pero me knock naman..
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    November 9th, 2019 08:27 AM #924
    Quote Originally Posted by pilaty View Post
    and me difference ba sa performance? baka mura pero me knock naman..
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    gasoline-ethanol can lower the km/li numbers... by about 3% on the average daw.
    ethanol in gasoline actually has anti-knock properties.

    actually, if memory serves, alcohol in fuel today, increases the pump price.
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    November 9th, 2019 10:09 AM #925
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    gasoline-ethanol can lower the km/li numbers... by about 3% on the average daw.
    ethanol in gasoline actually has anti-knock properties.

    actually, if memory serves, alcohol in fuel today, increases the pump price.
    The True Big Pic...
    US politics, lobbying, corn growers created e10, now Trump gifts em w/ e15.
    Ethanol, which has less energy than the more efficient higher octane premium petrol, is unsuitable for old cars....that's why some enthusiast up there produced Blaze. [emoji13] Plus, ethanol is hygroscopic. Bad for our fuel pumps. I had 1st hand e10 trauma..Had to replace/modify a brittled fuel line, then a pump assembly a coupla years after that initial surgery on our 17yr old ex-daily....



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    November 9th, 2019 10:23 AM #926
    Quote Originally Posted by travajante View Post
    The True Big Pic...
    US politics, lobbying, corn growers created e10, now Trump gifts em w/ e15.
    Ethanol, which has less energy than the more efficient higher octane premium petrol, is unsuitable for old cars....that's why some enthusiast up there produced Blaze.[emoji13]

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    If I may ask, on what year does "unsuitable for old cars" start?
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    November 9th, 2019 10:31 AM #927
    Quote Originally Posted by travajante View Post
    The True Big Pic...
    US politics, lobbying, corn growers created e10, now Trump gifts em w/ e15. .[emoji13]

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    but how does this affect us?

    in the early years of local ethanol mix,
    we left the car in the garage, for several weeks (months?).
    when we finally went back to it, we couldn't start it.
    upon major inspection, we determined that the engine was suffering from fuel starvation.
    the fuel tank contents had turned to something that looked like... nata de coco!
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    November 9th, 2019 10:48 AM #928
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    but how does this affect us?
    PH is supporting US Corn. The ethanol law is making us import ethanol. We are the 4th largest market for US ethanol. Woooohoooo![emoji13]

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    November 9th, 2019 10:50 AM #929
    Quote Originally Posted by Archerfish View Post
    If I may ask, on what year does "unsuitable for old cars" start?
    80s down, brother Bossing....but I still don't want it in my tanks.[emoji4]

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    November 9th, 2019 10:52 AM #930
    Quote Originally Posted by travajante View Post
    PH is supporting US Corn. The ethanol law is making us import ethanol. We are the 4th largest market for US ethanol. Woooohoooo![emoji13]

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    sometimes. i question the logic behind the law...
    why continue enforcing the ethanol content law, when we can not address the requirements locally?
    why are we forcing ourselves to import materiel? why not simply shelf the ethanol content law?
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