E10 Ethanol, bad for your engine & economy? [MERGED]

**james00112233** · July 21st, 2009 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by oj88

The government's mandate to shift to E10 is a subtle way of forcing the phase-out of carbureted engines.

Whether it's good news or bad news, would depend on your point of view.

It is possible to phase-out the carbureted engines...

**CVT** · July 21st, 2009 02:22 PM

The government has no political b*lls. That is why they are resorting to these types of subtle actions.... Afraid to do the right thing upfront for the right reasons......

BTW, is the ethanol now locally manufactured, or are we importing it, too?

8303:dishwash:

**number001** · July 21st, 2009 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by CVT

The government has no political b*lls. That is why they are resorting to these types of subtle actions.... Afraid to do the right thing upfront for the right reasons......

BTW, is the ethanol now locally manufactured, or are we importing it, too?

8303:dishwash:

Petron E10 Premium provides the following performance benefits:

*It also contains fuel grade ethanol which the Philippines is capable of manufacturing. Local manufacture of ethanol helps give more employment opportunities to our people .
*Moreover, use of ethanol additive lessens our dependence on imported crude oils.

Source

**OldSchoolHack** · July 21st, 2009 06:52 PM

RA 9367 dated 24 July 2006
http://www.doe.gov.ph/popup/RA%209367.pdf

Section 5 states.
5.0 Mandatory Use of Biofuels. ... ALL LIQUID FUELS FOR MOTORS AND ENGINES SOLD IN THE PHILIPPINES SHALL CONTAIN LOCALLY SOURCED BIOFUEL COMPONENTS...."

so it is moot to argue where the biofuel comes from (LOCALLY SOURCED) and is there ANY fuel out there with no biofuel (ethanol) at all....of course NONE. All are with ethanol now and with at least 5 to 10% composition for gasoline (different with diesel).

Sections 5.1 states that within 2 years fuels will have a 5% bio fuel composition (which means by July 2008. All fuels now have 5% biofuel)

Section 5.2 states within 4 years fuels will have a 10% bio fuel composition (that would be July 2010. All will have 10% biofuel)

and of course the provision for those who do not follow are in sections 12 and the penalty provisions in section 13.

Any company selling fuels with NO ethanol is violating this RA and is liable for the penalties in Section 13. XCS, Blaze, V Power, etc. etc. lahat yan me biofuel na.

Wala na pong gasolina na walang ethanol ngayon.

**step22** · July 21st, 2009 06:57 PM

^^^ eh nasusunod naman kaya?

**meledson** · July 21st, 2009 07:05 PM

dahil sa clean air act. bawal na ang leaded fuels.

Sa provinces mayroon pa rin. kahit na big 3.

**oj88** · July 21st, 2009 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by meledson

dahil sa clean air act. bawal na ang leaded fuels.

Sa provinces mayroon pa rin. kahit na big 3.

AFAIK, there haven't been lead in our gasoline for at least a decade or two. Otherwise, all catalytic converters will be destroyed in a matter of months.

**CVT** · July 22nd, 2009 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by OldSchoolHack

RA 9367 dated 24 July 2006
http://www.doe.gov.ph/popup/RA%209367.pdf

Section 5 states.
5.0 Mandatory Use of Biofuels. ... ALL LIQUID FUELS FOR MOTORS AND ENGINES SOLD IN THE PHILIPPINES SHALL CONTAIN LOCALLY SOURCED BIOFUEL COMPONENTS...."

so it is moot to argue where the biofuel comes from (LOCALLY SOURCED) and is there ANY fuel out there with no biofuel (ethanol) at all....of course NONE. All are with ethanol now and with at least 5 to 10% composition for gasoline (different with diesel).

Sections 5.1 states that within 2 years fuels will have a 5% bio fuel composition (which means by July 2008. All fuels now have 5% biofuel)

Section 5.2 states within 4 years fuels will have a 10% bio fuel composition (that would be July 2010. All will have 10% biofuel)

and of course the provision for those who do not follow are in sections 12 and the penalty provisions in section 13.

Any company selling fuels with NO ethanol is violating this RA and is liable for the penalties in Section 13. XCS, Blaze, V Power, etc. etc. lahat yan me biofuel na.

Wala na pong gasolina na walang ethanol ngayon.

Thanks for this, bro.

However, when I inquired with Tech Support of Petron, Caltex and Shell about 2 weeks ago, they confirmed the following:

Petron - Xtra Unleaded is ethanol-blended
XCS and Blaze - pure gasoline

Shell - all fuel variants, Unleaded, Premium and V-Power are ethanol-blended

Caltex - Silver (last Monday was ethanol-blended; used to have an e10 variant)
Gold - pure gasoline

Also, the local production of ethanol is the spirit of the RA,- but still, the lingering question is,- are all of the ethanol used here, locally manufactured or some are still imported?

8303:dishwash:

**arnarn** · July 29th, 2009 01:23 PM

may mga gumagamit na ba dito ng e10 sa carb engine nila? musta naman po?

**OldSchoolHack** · July 29th, 2009 02:50 PM

Naduling ako ng ipinagmalaki pa ni GMA ang Bio-fuel law.

Sana binigyan din tayo ng tax relief (yung sa fees na binabayaran natin pag rehistro. lagyan ng relief or something) sa registration kasi bio-fuel damages our cars.

Ok lang sa mga bagong oto. Pero sa '90s and older model mararandaman ninyo ang effect after a while.

*CVT. Sabi sa RA pag na apektohan yung local demand dahil sa increased ethanol demand for gasoline e pwede naman mag import. Masyadong open ended din ang batas dito. Plus me review din ang DOST sa effect ng ethanol (also in the RA Biofuel Law). Actually di na kailangan ang DOST. Apektado na agad lumang oto after a while.

Pati ata aviation fuel gagawing me ethanol!!!! omg