Another Look at Diesel

[mazdamazda]

Just read this India-based article about the the rapid dieselation and of the lack of laws around the world to control diesel emmission (particularly NOx and particulate matters).

Just keep an open mind.

http://www.cseindia.org/dte-suppleme...lls_angels.htm

[tagalnasaabroad]

and i quote part of the article..

"Industrialised countries, driven by health concerns, have set stringent emissions targets to force innovation, force solutions to the problem of toxic diesel emissions. Near-zero sulphur diesel and advanced emission-control technologies are top priorities. Our government, meanwhile, has utterly failed to address the toxicity of poor-quality diesel."

kaya nga i'm not a fan of diesel -engined vehicles..

[Bogeyman]

And I will let part of the article speak for itself:

Let us understand that in India, the quality of diesel used is extremely poor. Moreover, the Indian government is not interested in providing cleaner diesel.

[mazdamazda]

Originally posted by Bogeyman
And I will let part of the article speak for itself:

Here's the "roadmap" for India's vehicle emmission law :

Euro II: the entire country by 2005, selective states by 2003. the Society of Indian Automotive Manufacturers (SIAM) are targetting a voluntary compliance by 2000.

Euro III: 2010 for the entire country, 2005 for select states. SIAM targets 2004.

Euro IV: 2010 for select states. SIAM by 2007.

in comparison... the Philippine Clean Air Act (equivalent of Euro I only) takes effect on 2003 only. no plans of upgrading this yet to Euro II and above standards

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as to the quality of diesel in India... here's a quick guide:

Date Particulars
1995 Cetane number: 45; Sulfur: 1%
1996 Sulfur: 0.5% (Delhi + selected cities)
1998 Sulfur: 0.25% (Delhi)
1999 Sulfur: 0.05% (Delhi, limited supply)
2000 Cetane number: 48; Sulfur: 0.25% (Nationwide)
2001 Sulfur: 0.05% (Delhi + selected cities)
2005 Sulfur: 350 ppm (Euro 3; selected areas)
2010 Sulfur: 350 ppm (Euro 3; nationwide)
2010 Sulfur: 50 ppm (Euro 4; selected areas)

In comparison here's the diesel quality specified in our Clean Air Act:

not later than eighteen (18) months after the effectivity of this Act, no person shall manufacture, import, sell, supply, offer for sale, dispense, transport or introduce into commerce automotive diesel fuel which contains a concentration of sulfur in excess of 0.20% by weight with a cetane number of index of not less than forty-eight (48): Provided, That by year 2004, content of said sulfur shall be 0.05% by weight; and

no moves yet to measure diesel quality by ppm (as per European standards).

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what the author is even telling us that even with these measures put up by the Indian government, this is too late to combat pollution. what more with our governement who doesn't even have any plans of upgrading the clean air act?

[ARB]

yes we can all blame that diesels are making all the pollution. so we should be monitoring them or we should make our engine EURO I, II, III compliant.

have anyone thought of the impact of this in our economy? our delivery trucks will be out of the streets in no time if the government will impose these kind of laws. so how do we buy or vegetables? go to the mountains and buy? how do we refill our gas stations? go to the depot and buy directly? how do we buy basic neccessities such as sugar if the trucks that bring sugarcane to the centrals for processing, from central to stores if there are no diesel engined truck that are available will be EURO compliant. yes there are some HINO trucks that are EURO compliant or has engines that are compliant but how about the others? we can say that they should buy new trucks? ha with the gas prices going up and the trucking rate that never goes up all the profit is eaten up by the high prices of maintaning the trucks, how can they buy new ones. we should go after those that do not pass the emissions, and the emission testing centers that you can bribe rather than complaining.

[tagalnasaabroad]

natumbok nyo nanaman mga kakosa..!..anyway you look at it it's all the same crap from the implementing agencies..pare-pareho naman tayong lalanghap nyang toxic substance nayan..ke senador ka man o nakatira sa ilalim ng tulay, anoh..!

makabili nga ng maraming disposable gas masks paguwi bakasyon..

[mazdamazda]

Originally posted by ARB
yes we can all blame that diesels are making all the pollution. so we should be monitoring them or we should make our engine EURO I, II, III compliant.

have anyone thought of the impact of this in our economy? our delivery trucks will be out of the streets in no time if the government will impose these kind of laws. so how do we buy or vegetables? go to the mountains and buy? how do we refill our gas stations? go to the depot and buy directly? how do we buy basic neccessities such as sugar if the trucks that bring sugarcane to the centrals for processing, from central to stores if there are no diesel engined truck that are available will be EURO compliant. yes there are some HINO trucks that are EURO compliant or has engines that are compliant but how about the others? we can say that they should buy new trucks? ha with the gas prices going up and the trucking rate that never goes up all the profit is eaten up by the high prices of maintaning the trucks, how can they buy new ones. we should go after those that do not pass the emissions, and the emission testing centers that you can bribe rather than complaining.

YOU ARE MISSING OUT MY POINT... read first the whole article. am not complaining about diesel engines... am a big fan of euro diesels in fact! this is an informative article rather than an attack on diesel engines.

my point is our government isn't doing enough to bring in good quality diesel here in our country. it is that simple.

even with the sophisticted CRDi engines coming in, it is all in vain if the diesel that is being used here is dirty.

the euro I-IV norms also only applies to NEW vehicles. in-house / old vehicles have a different measuring stick. if you noticed, NOx isn't being measured in your friendly emmission test center. i think that answers your question about the its "impact" on the economy.

[kyle618]

people love to use diesel here cuz its cheaper ... well that is ok but we should really move to euro diesel and ban all old diesel engines ksi ang ingay and ang pangit na.

If people wont stop using the old diesel dapat mag gas na lng sila...

[yan_168]

ang pinakamagandang solusyon dyan ay good quality diesel fuel ang ibenta dito sa atin

[Djerms]

...and all the while I thought that gas emissions are more harmful???