what should we buy automatic or manual transmission for fuel efficiency and comfort?

[dr. d]

What are semi-automatic trannies exactly? I understand these are the trannies used by f1 cars.

Are these type of transmissions standard equipment in some carmakes?



do what you gotta do so you can do what you wanna do

the new suzuki dzire has one, daw.
i just haven't sat down to digest what it means.

[dr. d]

These are nice things of course, but I don't want to "spoil" myself with too many conveniences.
--That's just me.

We stopped buying upper tier models and brands years ago. Not because we couldn't afford it, but after hands on comparison (through actual ownership), we got where we needed to go just the same. Sa viewpoint kasi namin, vehicles are assets, but not investments. If a vehicle's maintenance expense outweighs the mobility/security derived from owning it, we don't consider it a convenience anymore.

BTW, I drove a "junker" even up to the end of my residency. I never felt ashamed to be seen in it

only car salesmen use "investment" when it comes to cars.

decent folks worth their decency, do not mind what car we use.... within limits, of course.
heh heh.

[Egan101]

Iove my ATs.

Fast shifting.... A manual cant hope to compete against the shift speed.

responsive shifting (i. E. downshift when i want them to etc)

manual over ride with paddle shifters if im in the mood for spirited driving or just for complete control of the engine rpm range

Comfortable in traffic

Really pairs well with the semi autonomous driving modes of my cars (i. E. Adaptive cruise control, self parking etc).

Fuel efficiency and all around stress reliever given our traffic situation.

Id think of getting a manual if its a sports car or an exotic.

But other than that they are being relagated to the econoboxes or the entry level versions of certain PPVs and Vans.



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I'm on the same boat as you, bro! I don't know where people get the idea that modern ATs are boring and unresponsive.

If I'm on the hunt for a weekend MT car, I would look into, at least, a WRX MT.

What are semi-automatic trannies exactly? I understand these are the trannies used by f1 cars.

Are these type of transmissions standard equipment in some carmakes?



do what you gotta do so you can do what you wanna do

Some manufacturers have these automated MTs but I have tried them. Peugeot is one these manufacturers.

[shadow]

Can't even remember the last time I drove a manual car.


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[EQAddict]

I'm on the same boat as you, bro! I don't know where people get the idea that modern ATs are boring and unresponsive.

If I'm on the hunt for a weekend MT car, I would look into, at least, a WRX MT.


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Guess they just havent had the opportunity to experience them.

ALL R&D is being devoted to traditional automatics (i. E. Torque converters, dual clutch transmissions, CVTs etc.)

None is being invested in manuals. Zero.

Automatics have been and will continue to be the future of transmissions.

Sales figures, development $, etc etc have long spelled the demise of the manual.

Sure people can have their individual preferences etc. To each his own. But the automakers have decided where their R&D budgets and manufacturing capacity are going to. And you can bet their decision making is based on empirical evidence, real world statistics and facts and end user preference.





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[Wh1stl3r]

These are nice things of course, but I don't want to "spoil" myself with too many conveniences.
--That's just me.

We stopped buying upper tier models and brands years ago. Not because we couldn't afford it, but after hands on comparison (through actual ownership), we got where we needed to go just the same. Sa viewpoint kasi namin, vehicles are assets, but not investments. If a vehicle's maintenance expense outweighs the mobility/security derived from owning it, we don't consider it a convenience anymore.

BTW, I drove a "junker" even up to the end of my residency. I never felt ashamed to be seen in it

I agree. Cars are terrible money pits. It's funny when sales agents keep calling them "investments". Aside from devaluation, so many costs attached to owning and maintaining a car. It's just that our current infrastructure makes it impossible to get around without one. Am subscribed to the idea that while we're all suffering in traffic, bad road conditions and sharing the road with terrible drivers, might as well do it with a bit of comfort. But at the same time I do appreciate a no frills, easy to maintain bare bones, honest to goodness point A to B car that won't break the bank.

Things are changing though. With a lot of car makers going full electric in the future, a lot of autonomous driving tech and amenities seems to be trickling down to even the entry level models. The brake hold function I mentioned is already in the entry level CR-V.

[Vodka]

Guess they just havent had the opportunity to experience them.

ALL R&D is being devoted to traditional automatics (i. E. Torque converters, dual clutch transmissions, CVTs etc.)

None is being invested in manuals. Zero.

Automatics have been and will continue to be the future of transmissions.

Sales figures, development $, etc etc have long spelled the demise of the manual.

Sure people can have their individual preferences etc. To each his own. But the automakers have decided where their R&D budgets and manufacturing capacity are going to. And you can bet their decision making is based on empirical evidence, real world statistics and facts and end user preference.





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well you don't need R&D for m/t i think even the current-gen manual trannies are still using 80's or 90's designs

[XTO]

many don't know how to shift appositely on a manual tranny

Gay Bus Driver - YouTube

[EQAddict]

well you don't need R&D for m/t i think even the current-gen manual trannies are still using 80's or 90's designs

Not necessarily true. Better clutches, Rev matching on downshifts, lighter transmissions, better feel, stronger shift forks, automated manuals, etc are all avenues of development that can be pursued.

Just saying that all the automakers and all the R&D has moved on and away from manuals except for 1 off performance variants and econo applications.


The question on this thread is which is a more fuel efficient and comfortable transmission. I believe this has been answered by the direction of the automakers themselves.

Unless we know something that their own engineering, r&d, market research, finance and sales teams do not.





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[benchph1]

Automatic transmissions has gotten better nowadays that they are almost at par with their manual counterpart when it comes to efficiency.

10-15 years ago they were so awful that the obvious choice was manual. But now times have changed.


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