Honda Civic vs Toyota Innova

**Egan101** · May 15th, 2020 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Yatta

Experienced this first hand. My Sorento vs 86. Subok lang with my friend. Both tuned by Speedlab. First few hundred meters mauuna ako pero sa dulo iiwanan na ako.

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With almost the same output between a Sorento 2.2L turbo diesel against an 86 with its 2.0L NA, big disparity in weight puts the 86 in a big advantage.

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**ronki** · May 15th, 2020 10:22 AM

That's one fast tito car.

Just solidified my next car choice.

**Egan101** · May 15th, 2020 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by ronki

That's one fast tito car.

Just solidified my next car choice.

If you want a quicker and faster Tito car, look no further than an FXT. Even in stock mode, you’re looking at 7+ seconds on a 0-100kmh sprint. Tune it further and you’re looking at around 300hp/400Nm.

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**ronki** · May 15th, 2020 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Egan101

If you want a quicker and faster Tito car, look no further than an FXT. Even in stock mode, you’re looking at 7+ seconds on a 0-100kmh sprint. Tune it further and you’re looking at around 300hp/400Nm.

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I've driven one, and yes, feels so good, no doubt.

Fuel consumption is a bum, though.

**Yatta** · May 15th, 2020 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Egan101

With almost the same output between a Sorento 2.2L turbo diesel against an 86 with its 2.0L NA, big disparity in weight puts the 86 in a big advantage.

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I got more than twice the torque though, and both it and power come very early. But in the end talo pa rin ako.

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**babkalakal** · May 15th, 2020 10:52 AM

so with that in mind ano lang ang advantage ng CVT against modern torque converter automatics (which are becoming very good nowadays)?

smoother? though some people do not like the cvt characteristic of droning and staying at relatively high rpms waiting for the vehicle to accelerate. improved ba ang fuel economy?

**tarzegetakizerd** · May 15th, 2020 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by babkalakal

so with that in mind ano lang ang advantage ng CVT against modern torque converter automatics (which are becoming very good nowadays)?

smoother? though some people do not like the cvt characteristic of droning and staying at relatively high rpms waiting for the vehicle to accelerate. improved ba ang fuel economy?

fuel consumption nga ata?

**Egan101** · May 15th, 2020 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by babkalakal

so with that in mind ano lang ang advantage ng CVT against modern torque converter automatics (which are becoming very good nowadays)?

smoother? though some people do not like the cvt characteristic of droning and staying at relatively high rpms waiting for the vehicle to accelerate. improved ba ang fuel economy?

Newer CVTs are a lot better than those in the early 2000s. Advantage of newer CVTs is they are tuned to keep the engine in optimal output along the rpm range thus helping in fuel economy.

With my FXT, it feels too smooth that there is not much sensation of going up to speed. Cruising at 150kmh to 180kmh feels just like doing 100-120kmh unless you observe the outside surroundings. Also, it feels soft off the line when forcing a hard launch.

With my ASX, the droning and output response delay in higher rpms can be observed. Its CVT is not as responsive as the one on the FXT.

Our Civic RS is quick but that same sensation of going fast is not that evident. Response is better than the CVT of the ASX.

DCTs and DSGs are much better in terms of feel and response when going up to speed. This is my experience with Ford and VW.

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**ice15** · May 15th, 2020 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by babkalakal

so with that in mind ano lang ang advantage ng CVT against modern torque converter automatics (which are becoming very good nowadays)?

smoother? though some people do not like the cvt characteristic of droning and staying at relatively high rpms waiting for the vehicle to accelerate. improved ba ang fuel economy?

Only 2 advantages I can see with CVT

1. Fuel Economy - this is backed by science, so we can't argue - otherwise, why will car manufacturers switch to CVT?

2. For smaller cars, it looks like the future. No sense in looking for an alternative... Vios/City/Corolla/Civic - all uses CVT, will you really go to a Mazda/Kia/Hyundai showroom kasi ayaw mo ng CVT?

**Egan101** · May 15th, 2020 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by ice15

Only 2 advantages I can see with CVT

1. Fuel Economy - this is backed by science, so we can't argue - otherwise, why will car manufacturers switch to CVT?

2. For smaller cars, it looks like the future. No sense in looking for an alternative... Vios/City/Corolla/Civic - all uses CVT, will you really go to a Mazda/Kia/Hyundai showroom kasi ayaw mo ng CVT?

Kia and Hyundai will also start using their own version of a CVT. Iba nga lang acronym for it.

Ford is moving back to conventional AT after the the DCT fiasco.

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