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    Quote Originally Posted by weisshorn View Post
    Kaka gulat ang D-Max. Mirage 1.2L MT mas malakas uminom ng gasolina kesa 1.6L MT Elantra??

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    The Elantra 1.6L engine is very good. At 80kph it was probably just snoring hehehe

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    The D-Max is likely a fluke. 20+ is indeed possible with the 3.0... have done it on the Alterra... but 38 sounds like a filling error.

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    Some of the variability can be down to unit condition, tires and even driver differences.

    Civic and Elantra, remains to be seen, but if you have the right gearing, I think 20+ can be done in these two. Not sure about 27...

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    #23
    23 on the MUX A/T is already impressive. But 38 when the Accent CRDi didn't even reach 30?

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    The D-Max is likely a fluke. 20+ is indeed possible with the 3.0... have done it on the Alterra... but 38 sounds like a filling error.

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    Some of the variability can be down to unit condition, tires and even driver differences.

    Civic and Elantra, remains to be seen, but if you have the right gearing, I think 20+ can be done in these two. Not sure about 27...
    I think its not a fluke. Isuzu is king lol. Galing talaga tong mga eco run.

    Brio 1.3ats cant beat its 1.5L jazz/mobilio siblings. Interesting.

    HondaPH should bring in the brio 1.2 with cvts those can compete with the celerios.

    I wish toyota brought the new vios to this eco run. It would have obliterated the competition

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    #25
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    as i understood it, the test was designed to compare relative fuel efficiencies of the various cars, driven under the the exactsame conditions.
    I get your point. But I think giving the consumers a realistic figure is better.

    I mean in this test run a vehicle will register 20km/L when in real life driving it is probably half of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    I think its not a fluke. Isuzu is king lol. Galing talaga tong mga eco run.

    Brio 1.3ats cant beat its 1.5L jazz/mobilio siblings. Interesting.

    HondaPH should bring in the brio 1.2 with cvts those can compete with the celerios.

    I wish toyota brought the new vios to this eco run. It would have obliterated the competition
    That's what happens when you let manufacturers select their own drivers. All the sneaky tricks you can get away with during the filling and run really do work.

    Heck, I think a substitute for rocking while filling could be to fill up the car as far beyond the full mark as possible before the "official" fill, hit a whole lot of bumps and ruts to shake up the fuel in the tank on the way to the filling station, and take your initial hit of gas.

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    In this case, the DOE should INSIST that all cars come to the official filling point with tanks with half a load of fuel or less.


    RE: Brio, not surprised. The CVT on the Jazz/City is fantastic, allowing ultra-low cruising rpm.


    RE: The Vios... hehehehehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew_Alcindor View Post
    I get your point. But I think giving the consumers a realistic figure is better.

    I mean in this test run a vehicle will register 20km/L when in real life driving it is probably half of that.
    I agree. I think it would have been better if they have taken actual videos during their test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    That's what happens when you let manufacturers select their own drivers. All the sneaky tricks you can get away with during the filling and run really do work.

    Heck, I think a substitute for rocking while filling could be to fill up the car as far beyond the full mark as possible before the "official" fill, hit a whole lot of bumps and ruts to shake up the fuel in the tank on the way to the filling station, and take your initial hit of gas.

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    In this case, the DOE should INSIST that all cars come to the official filling point with tanks with half a load of fuel or less.


    RE: Brio, not surprised. The CVT on the Jazz/City is fantastic, allowing ultra-low cruising rpm.


    RE: The Vios... hehehehehe.
    Did they seal the fuel door? I didnt see it in the articles. Some eco runs have the fuel doors sealed so that only the organizers can fill the fuel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    I think its not a fluke. Isuzu is king lol. Galing talaga tong mga eco run.

    Brio 1.3ats cant beat its 1.5L jazz/mobilio siblings. Interesting.

    HondaPH should bring in the brio 1.2 with cvts those can compete with the celerios.

    I wish toyota brought the new vios to this eco run. It would have obliterated the competition
    Bro do you honestly believe that a slightly lighter body (with poorer aerodynamics) and a manual transmission would improve fuel consumption by almost 100%?

    300 km * 38 km/L means they only filled up 7.89L. Like I said, fillups this small are very, very prone to error. Most likely their tank was initially filled above the automatic cutoff, or their second full tank did not reach (or prematurely, erroneously reached) the automatic cutoff, or both.

    I did 27 km/L with my Vios 1.3 once, but when I reran the test on a longer route it was only 21.26 km/L.
    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    Did they seal the fuel door? I didnt see it in the articles. Some eco runs have the fuel doors sealed so that only the organizers can fill the fuel.
    Full to Full*– To make the most out of the trip, all 70 vehicles had their fuel tanks filled up to the neck. The fuel cap was then placed with a safety seal to make sure the fuel level was not tampered with. Other sections of the car like the hood and trunk also had safety seals, ensuring that the engine, fuel tank and load capacity cannot be fiddled with. After finishing the 300 km fuel economy run, all of the cars had to top up again while the marshalls check each vehicle's fuel consumption.
    http://www.autoindustriya.com/featur...onomy-run.html

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    I can attest with the forester figures, did that pero la union to pque, yes lots of cruising,

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