2013 AT - Montero 4x4 vs Santa Fe 4x2 vs Chevrolet Trailblazer 4x4

[beni23]

Nagsisinungaling lang si idol bosing Beni23.... Ang totoo mausok ang 4D56 niya na may namumulang GT-V na emblem

Hayaan mo boss Beni23, sasagutin ko yung post mo, busy lang tayo at ngaun idol ;)

Cheers!

PANGIT MO! :hysterical:

[babynos01]

Hindi ko magets to si dmac.
Ayaw niya sa wiki tapos ginamit niya wiki para i-enumerate ung developments ng 4d56 haha.
Hay nako sir, kahit gaano katagal na makina mo, may it be based from an 80s model, kung maayos naman maintenance mo no problem. We all know this.
Hindi naman porket 80s based yung engine, e yung components hindi binabago. May remodelling yan.

Yung ix35 ng kapitbahay namin * 18K ODO may black smoke din at WOT. Its normal for diesel engines.
2006 Alterra 3.0 niya ganon din, mas evident nga lang.

Can you also explain to us if there are other methods to increase power of diesel engines aside than implementing newer turbos?
Aside from aftermarket parts syempre (chips, intake, etc.) and displacement.

[renzo_d10]

Lahat naman ata ng diesel mageemit at mageemit ng black smoke pag binigla yun hataw

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[Walter]

Lahat naman ata ng diesel mageemit at mageemit ng black smoke pag binigla yun hataw

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Except Isuzu. It's the BEEEEESSSSST ..... :hysterical:

[SiRbossR]

Maganda naman isuzu, but it's not the best out there. May pros and cons din although the cons outweighs the number of pros.

BTT:

The Santa Fe is a very nice car talaga but given the fact that the Trailblazer can compete with it neck to neck and may also outperform it at some points, that's something a buyer should think about. pero it all depends on what your heart really wants.

[bjreyesmd]

Agree that it really depends on what you want. If you want higher ground clearance and can comfortably seat seven, get the TBZ. If you want agility and a car-like ride, SF3 it is.

[numbah5]

Kung makumbinsi ko dad ko, we'll get the SF3 next year. Pero sana ilabas ang SF3 Long Wheelbase with the rumored 2.2 R eVGT desel na twin turbo or twin scroll turbo that churns out 225 ps and 510 Nm of torque. Kung hindi ilalabas yan, pwede na rin yung SWB. Basta KDM kukunin namin. Basta next week, baka makuha na namin TrailB.

[arsen]

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Haha! Diyan ako bilib sa iyo chief eh, on your total reliance is the Wikipedia again, just like in TopGear PH. Nae-edit mga contents ni Wiki bosing ng kahit sino :hysterical: ....Bakit ko alam, eh dami ko na kayang na-edit at Wiki, concerning dirtbikes pa hehe....

No need to google this, dito ka kasi maki-tsismis: Chevy confirms global Colorado pickup for U.S.

Kapag magsesearch ka sa web, gamitan mo muna ng open and close quotation mark para me lumabas na pinaka unique... like this:
"The 2.8 L VM Motori turbodiesel is offered as options outside of U.S. as it does not satisfy the U.S. emission control standards"
Try searching again...

Ganitong statement ba ang naging assurance mo na babalik sa US ang minsan ng binasura?
"Unfortunately, GM isn't saying where the truck will be built or what kind of drivetrain(s) it will offer when it arrives. We have our fingers crossed for the 2.8-liter turbo diesel Duramax four-cylinder engine with 356 pound-feet of torque"

Malamang sa Tier II Bin 8 (effectivity 2007??) bumagsak si VM 2.8... okay meron na improve... sabi mo eh... Pero nag-improve na rin kasi ang EPA naging mas mahigpit na.

Anyway para meron kang konting pag-asa, US EPA gives fleet emission credit to the manufacturer for every zero emission (electric) cars being produced. Such credit are transferable to other models so it can be used by GM para makapagbenta ng iilang units just to make you happy.... hehehe

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....and you'll see it's a different VM Motori or an improved VM Motori powerplant, not the previous year 2007 400-Nm powerplant that Wiki told you so for the all-new global model Chevrolet Colorado that's headed for US (356 lb-ft or 480 Nm torque)....

Dito ka kasi ulit maki-tsismis sa mga official manufacturers website to witch-hunt, not anywhere else chief hehe ---- VM Motori S.p.A.

Could it be the RA428 engine, or even so, the mo-betta A428 engine, all Euro 5 emission compliant engines? Don't know, perhaps you know so.... Ask your trusted Wikipedia to provide you the info

Of course it can comply with Euro 5. Magagawan ng paraan yan ng mga Tech Eng. Example, using a slightly lower torque capacity automatic transmission that has a veto power not to accept everything that engine says...
Pero if that engine is married to a manual tranny, hmmmm ewan... hahah

By the way, sa US, ibang usapan doon... mas ayaw nila sa pollutant na hindi visible sa mata at hindi kayang salain kahit gaano pa kakapal ang nasal hair.

Anyway, while you're at Wikipedia, no need to Google this as well:
Mitsubishi Astron engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your vaunted dinosaur-age year 1986 2.5-litre 4D56 engine started from 75 hp.... As years and 3 decades went by, it was mated with the following:

1. Non-intercooled turbo; to
2. Non-intercooled turbo 1st generation; then to
3. Non-intercooled turbo 2nd generation; then to
4. Intercooled turbo non-CRDi (water-cooled); then
5. Intercooled turbo 1st generation Di-D common-rail; then
6. Intercooled turbo 2nd generation Di-D; and most recently
7. Intercooled turbo so-called 3rd generation Di-D with VGT....

AGAIN, from 75 hp to 178 hp (2.4 times more power, or 240%), PUHUNAN ay BOOSTING, not excuses

Chief, sabi mo pala di ba, with conviction pa hehe, kaya binababaan ang compression ratio ng diesel engine para mas compliant sa emission standards, mainly CO2 kamo na, sama na ang NOx, add na rin hydrocarbons.... Bakit pala binaba na ang compression ratio ni dinosaur-age 4D56 from 21.1 : 1 then to 17.1: 1 then down to 16.5 : 1 for the past 3 decades, tinurbo-charged pati ng limpak-limpak pa, bakit mauusok pa rin?

Nakakatawa pati yung mala ratio-and-proportion mo na pinangalanan mo pang Arsen Mhikk equation sa TopGear PH na bakit 178 hp si 4D56 at 200 hp si Santa Fe.... Magandang huwag nalang patulan :hysterical:

Cheers!

Ayan na naman ang boosting mo... gusto mo dagdagan ko pa ang mga rebuttals ko dun sa TGP? Hindi pa ako tapos dun especially sa mga back pressures mo.

Pati yung power valves at sonic wave na binanggit mo mas maganda na maliwanagan mo kung paano gumagana yun. Contributor ka pa naman sa wiki sabi mo.

Dito galing ang estimation/simple equation
Makikita mo sa SAMPLE instantaneous torque curve (measured between the flywheel and crankshaft) na malaki ang torque na kinakain ng piston doing compression stroke. Umaabot ng 200% (2X) ng measured torque sa flywheel.

Mabawasan mo lang yang torque used to compress the air, malaking gain yan for the maximum torque and maximum power. The practical approach in lowering the power consumption for the compression stroke is to reduce the diameter of the piston.

Kaya nga doon sa TGP, knowing the vital statistics
4D56 : Bore 91.1, stroke 95, 178PS * 4000rpm
R 2.2 : Bore 85.4, stroke 96, 200PS
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using the same engine configuration (fuel pressure, injection volume and timing)
try to estimate the max power of Hyundai R2.2 if the piston diameter is increased to 91.1
try to estimate the max power of Mitsu 4D56 if the piston diameter is reduced to 85.4

Para hindi na mahirapan pa, you can easily estimate using this simple mhikk equation... heheh

new max power = current max power x (Area1/Area2), Area = pi/4 (diameter)^2
for 4D56, estimated new max power = 178 x (91.1^2)/(85.4^2) = ??
for R2.2, estimated new max power = 200 x (85.4^2)/(91.1^2) = ??

[ano727]

*arsen, medyo nosebleed. hehehe

Sa aming mga di masyadong nakakasunod, ano po ibig sabihin nung data and charts na mentioned mo? Thanks.

[d_mac]

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