TVR cars

[OyiL]

sorry dude, dito nalang ako sa forum

the others are too hostile

sounds like they have never ran a business in their lives

they probably never experienced using their own money/borrowing money to start a business... trying to make enough money to pay the bills, salaries, taxes, and have enough left over to pay the lender... and some more left as profit

designers, dreamers... they live in the clouds

at the end of the day, designers and dreamers will need financing to turn their ideas into reality

sorry uls kung na-trauma ka na.

your last statement is true. financing ang kailanagn.

designers and dreamers, that's their job. but they have engineers at the end of the line to put things back to the ground if the concept is way too high up in the clouds.

[actor21]

how about the cost of making luxury interiors?

kung maganda ang labas at loob, at isama na natin konting performance, malamang hindi mo mabibili yan sa presyong China car yung local Lambo

kelangan may kita pa yung manufacturer

hindi naman yan mass produced (low margin, high volume)

hand made yan... one unit at a time

ilan araw (o buwan) niya gagawin ang isang car?

magkano ang gastos niya sa sweldo palang ng mga trabahador?

so malabo presyong China car lang ang local Lambo na nasa standards and expectations mo dude

sabagay may point ka ULS, pero siempre dapat meron din sila display, buyer wanna know what they would be getting...mahirap ata ivisualize kung walang model diba?

i still want a lambo gallardo replica..basta kuha talaga ang itsura labas at loob (except siguro sa toys at makina at handling)..kung meron lang sana model na basehan mas maganda.

[jpdm]

sorry uls kung na-trauma ka na.

your last statement is true. financing ang kailanagn.

designers and dreamers, that's their job. but they have engineers at the end of the line to put things back to the ground if the concept is way too high up in the clouds.

And investors to do the feasibility and business plans plus putting up the starting and operating capital.

The point of this whole sub-forum is DESIGN and RESEARCH, thus people who post here are not obliged to make their CONCEPTS and IDEAS into reality.

But their concepts and reality can be used as future references and theoretical tools in guiding a person who wants to start a business in the country.

And thats the utility of RESEARCH.

Showing invoices as an evidence to prove a theory for me is out of the line. Putting down the capability of a whole race or nation is out of the line. But it will be good if someone will transformed the IDEAS and CONCEPTS here into REALITY.

No one is saying that this country is like a well-oiled machine that can make all good ideas into reality.

But this wretched country needs inspiration to move away from its wretchedness.

[uls]

sabagay may point ka ULS, pero siempre dapat meron din sila display, buyer wanna know what they would be getting...mahirap ata ivisualize kung walang model diba?

yep

syempre

ang customers gusto makita ang isang finished product

para alam nila kung ano talaga ang binibili nila

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i'm sure naka upo ka na sa loob ng mga China cars sa mga motor show

kita mo ang pagkaiba ng interior quality nila sa Japan/Korean cars

sa interior palang di ka na ma-convince na bumili ng China car diba?

that's one thing local car makers should consider very carefully

exterior styling is important

but interior quality/styling is also as important

[uls]

sorry uls kung na-trauma ka na.

your last statement is true. financing ang kailanagn.

designers and dreamers, that's their job. but they have engineers at the end of the line to put things back to the ground if the concept is way too high up in the clouds.

no need to apologize dude

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what i meant by "in the clouds" is that designers and dreamers are caught up in their imaginings and don't care about dollars and cents

parang nakalutang sila sa clouds...

drawings (sa papel o sa computer) cost nearly nothing

it's when you begin to turn the drawings into the real thing... that's when reality bites

ngayon kailangan mo na bumili ng materyales

sheet metal, steel tubes, fiberglass...

you need tools

kelangan mo mag hire ng latero (unless marunong ka mag latero, gumamit ng acetylene, mag welding)

kelangan mo ng gagawa ng fiberglass

kelangan mo ng pintor

gotta buy an engine with transmission, axles, wheels, tires, brakes, steering mech., and many other parts...

kelangan mo ng mechaniko (unless marunong ka magmekaniko)

yan ang dollars and cents

the reason why many concepts/projects are left unfinished is coz of lack of funding

[jpdm]

no need to apologize dude

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what i meant by "in the clouds" is that designers and dreamers are caught up in their imaginings and don't care about dollars and cents

parang nakalutang sila sa clouds...

drawings (sa papel o sa computer) cost nearly nothing

it's when you begin to turn the drawings into the real thing... that's when reality bites

ngayon kailangan mo na bumili ng materyales

sheet metal, steel tubes, fiberglass...

you need tools

kelangan mo mag hire ng latero (unless marunong ka mag latero, gumamit ng acetylene, mag welding)

kelangan mo ng gagawa ng fiberglass

kelangan mo ng pintor

gotta buy an engine with transmission, axles, wheels, tires, brakes, steering mech., and many other parts...

kelangan mo ng mechaniko (unless marunong ka magmekaniko)

yan ang dollars and cents

the reason why many concepts/projects are left unfinished is coz of lack of funding

And thats the whole point of this thread uls.

This is the DESIGN and RESEARCH FORUM. The designers and dreamers take center stage here. They are free to share their concepts and ideas. And I repeat are NOT obliged or compelled to make their theories into reality.

If people her talks about projects, they maybe talking about a DESIGN and a RESEARCH PROJECT.

In fact, RESEARCH PROJECTS can be PURE and APPLIED RESEARCH.

This forum is not about per se executing a REAL PROJECT.

You dont have to keep on repeating issues that are already given to put up an auto industry.

Kasi napalinaw naman sa mga tao dito na kailangan ng pintor, mekaniko, kapital at bibili ng makina, axle....

With all due respect, hindi lang ikaw ang may alam nyan at parang naglelekyur ka sa mga taong walang alam sa sasakyan.We are not 6 year old elementary students that for the first time researching and presenting concepts and ideas about the auto industry.

We are, as a matter of fact, fully aware of the limitations. But then again, these limitations does not stop people from discussing IDEAS and CONCEPTs and DESIGNS in THIS FORUM.

[jpdm]

scharnhorst:

yep

MONEY

IMHO, no one is saying that we dont need to put up a respectable auto industry. The concept or idea is "Can we put up a local auto (manufacturing) industry?"

The answer is yes. THEORETICALLY.

we are not lacking in talent

there's no question there's a lot of talent here

Given already

what's lacking is capital

We know this too, very very well.

i'm not talking about 2 or 3 million pesos (like the examples cited by someone) to start a car manufacturing business

IMHO, the point is, even you start small or just a micro enterprise engaged in fabricating, assembling and building vehicles, you are already competing and part of the auto industry.Although, per se in a very limited scale (level) part of the car manufacturing industry.

2 or 3 million pesos can only pay for operating expenses for a few months (that is if you started really small, if you started big, 2 or 3M won't even be enough for the plant structure, tools, equipment)

But there are lots of examples that I have already mentioned here that are striving using this business plan. A plant for you can be a talyer to a small fabricator. Tools can be rudimentary machines etc.)The point is joining (albeit in a limited scale) in the local auto industry is plausible judging from the examples that I have mentioned.

public is an insult to the buying public

pinoys have very high standards when it comes to cars

What market are you talking about here?

The Tsikot Japanese, Korean, American, European and Chinese vehicle lovers here? maybe you are right.

But outside Tsikot, (even a small percentage of tsikoteers are lovers of Pinoy vehicles i.e. Pinoy pukpok and machine pressed vehicles owner type jeeps, AUV, jeepney, wrangler, Cavite humvee etc. including me (we have a newly assembled willy's pick up type owner type jeep and an XLT from Apalit), you cannot ignore those people who buy locally fabricated Pinoy made vehicles like:

a. tricycle for bsiness and family use.

b. jeepney for business and family use

c.fabricated AUV (pukpok type) for business and familiy use.

d. Passad of loilo

5. XLT of Pampanga and Tarlac as main vehicle and for business and family use in the provinces.

6. Revo-lok, Barang Truck-jeepney (pang bukid0, multicab of Cavite for business and family use

7. Patok of Marikina-Montalban for business and family use

8. Owner type stainless jeeps private use as main family vehicle in the provinces.

9. Wrangler type jeeps for private use as main vehicle in the provinces

10. Humvee of Cavite and Quezon as main vehicle for business and family use.

11. Other AUVs fabricated in taylers used as main vehicle for business and private use in the provinces.

10. Kuligligs of Balintawak market

11. Kuligligs of farming towns (Nueva Ecija, Pangasinan) as main vehicle of farmers and poor folks

12. padyaks

i have posted this before --

how do you price a pinoy car?

at any price range, may ka-presyo ka

Depends on what particular Pinoy car you are referring too.

Now, if FMC-StateMotors will push through their plan, a new better Anfra will be build again.

Hypothetically, if a Pinoy vehicle manufacturer will build a veihicle following the same quality standard of a Japanese or Korean car, it might cost lower because, it will earn incentives from the government because of its pioneering status.

China car price, Korean car Price, Japan car price, European (luxury) car price

Lower maybe. Chinese cars like the newly arrived Great Wall cars of Statemotor of Allen Roxas are priced by around 400k.(CBU kasi)

when you price a pinoy car at China car price, pwede pa pag isipan ng buyers kung bibili sila ng Pinoy or China car

Talagang mas mababa. CKD na may incentives from the government pa.

pero pag priced at Korean or Japan price, forget it. Sigurado hindi yung pinoy car ang pipiliin

malabo na kasing mahal ng Japanese vehicle.

pero kahit presyong China, buyers will still look at the second hand car market for Japan cars only a few years old

refer to the EXISTING Market for PInoy cars.

[jpdm]

pushing crap to the buying public is an insult to the buying public

pinoys have very high standards when it comes to cars

CAMPI or MVPMAP said the local market for brand new vehicles (2007 and today) is around 125k or less. In 2007 they cited that new vehicles registration was at 175K. Where did the 50k difference came from?

Either from local fabricators of jeepneys, local AUVs, other Pinoy vehicles and SUVIc.

And I doubt if marami dun ang SUVIc kasi nasa 200k-500k ang presyo ng mga smuggled vehicles. So maaring mga local AUV or jeepney or owner type jeep or wrangler o TVR or bar stunner sport vehicle made na ang presyo ay nasa 80-200k lang.

Ano kaya ang binililing sasakyan ng mga nakatira sa probinsya tulad ng Basilan at Surigao o Camotes island o sa Mindoro na ang pera ay 100k malayo sa bayan, maputik ang lugar at ang business ay bigasan? palagay ko hindi bibili yan ng second hand na civic or adventure kundi newly assembled jeepney or AUV na pangkalakal.

I-duplicate natin ito nationwide sa mga hinterland and out of sophisticated urban areas...

[ghosthunter]

CAMPI or MVPMAP said the local market for brand new vehicles (2007 and today) is around 125k or less. In 2007 they cited that new vehicles registration was at 175K. Where did the 50k difference came from?

Either from local fabricators of jeepneys, local AUVs, other Pinoy vehicles and SUVIc.

And I doubt if marami dun ang SUVIc kasi nasa 200k-500k ang presyo ng mga smuggled vehicles. So maaring mga local AUV or jeepney or woner type jeep or wrangler na ang presyo ay nasa 80-200k lang.

And where are you getting your DATA from? Out of thin air?

[jpdm]

And where are you getting your DATA from? Out of thin air?

Thin air?

Why not research and debunk my claims and I will readily correct myself.

Anyway, why not back read. I think you may check the closed MVPMAP PHUV thread.

Check also the post I made regarding the study made (funded by a Japanese group) regarding jeepneys.