The 2010 MVDP: Feat. the "Filipino Car" or Philippine Brand Vehicles

[uls]

sir aejhayl17,

i understand your point RE the safety of motorbikes

all i'm saying is -- yan ang pinili ng ordinary pinoys

i'm not trying to argue kung dapat o hindi dapat nila pinili ang motor as their private motor vehicle

my point is --- since the "single" motor is the most popular private motor vehicle among ordinary pinoys, then it can be called the people's car

kung tama o mali ang choice nila RE:SAFETY, that's no longer part of my discussion

[aejhayl17]

sir aejhayl17,

i understand your point RE the safety of motorbikes

all i'm saying is -- yan ang pinili ng ordinary pinoys

i'm not trying to argue kung dapat o hindi dapat nila pinili ang motor as their private motor vehicle

my point is --- since the "single" motor is the most popular private motor vehicle among ordinary pinoys, then it can be called the people's car

kung tama o mali ang choice nila RE:SAFETY, that's no longer part of my discussion

speaking of ordinary Pinoys, what about Jeepneys? not e-jeep or b-jeep. there are way way way more PUJ commuters compared to single motorcycle users.

irrelevant ata post ko, since we are discussing about private vehicle. sorry.

anyways, there has to be other alternatives for the motorcycle.

what should be / was the filipino car before the era of single motorcycles?

[uls]

yes, there are more PUJ users than private motor users

madami pa naman ordinary folks who take public transport (MRT, LRT, buses, PUJs)

pero madami na ang umayaw sa public transport

naging ex-commuters na sila

they have discovered the convenience of private transport and i think they're not going back to commuting

more and more commuters are becoming ex-commuters coz of the affordability and popularity of the "single" motor

well, mostly lalake

mas konte ang babae na nagmomotor

pero yung mga babae na may husband or bf na may motor, di na din sila nag-co-commute... so madami na din ex-commuters na babae

ano ang people's car before the single motor?

i can't think of any private transport in the past that's as popular and as best-selling as the single motor

before the rise of the single motor, those who can't afford cars have no choice but to take public transport

now, coz of the single motor, people who can't afford cars have an alternative

what should be the people's car? (na 4 wheels)

if you take into consideration the income of ordinary pinoys, the people's car should be very affordable and financing should be available

that's what made the single motor click with ordinary pinoys

[niky]

yep

gaming the system

And note: what Honda did was perfectly legal, according to the letter of the law. They saw how the others were abusing the AUV law to sell luxury versions of their AUVs (and the law was written only to help poor families acquire AUVs for business), so they simply copied the formula.

That's why no law that proposes to favor local manufacturers can ever work. Because you can't write a law that no one can take advantage of.

For example: I can set up a plant to "manufacture" new cars from secondhand parts in the freeport and sell them for much cheaper than brand new. Breaking no laws. (heck... andaming "manufacturer" ng "brand new" Nissan Micra dito!)

All I'd be doing is changing the oil, "remanufacturing" the engine (top overhaul lang) and rebadging the car.

And I'd be providing more local "employment" per vehicle than some "manufacturers" do.

speaking of ordinary Pinoys, what about Jeepneys? not e-jeep or b-jeep. there are way way way more PUJ commuters compared to single motorcycle users.

irrelevant ata post ko, since we are discussing about private vehicle. sorry.

anyways, there has to be other alternatives for the motorcycle.

what should be / was the filipino car before the era of single motorcycles?

The jeepney. Even if ordinary pinoys don't own them, that's the transportation of the "masa".

[ehnriko]

Nice inputs and insights by ULS... I share the same views.

However, there is much bigger issue when it comes to the single motorcycle as the new Peoples car.

The motorbike is not a danger to the Filipino... it's the other way around.

In the 80's up to mid 90's if I remember well... the ethnic Minority of Pinoy Indians... were the only ones riding motorbikes... there's a few of them riding still. There are more of them riding in India... but they are more patient and less furious on the road.

The normal Pinoy is more furious as a driver or a rider... The moment they hold the wheel... they transform into another personality - most specially when they are driving a fast car or bike.

Likas na sa Pinoy ang magyabang ng ride niya... kahit nagugutom ang pamilya.

As a matter of fact - he is even willing to compromise the personal safety of his family makatipid lang sa pamasahe by putting them all on board his single motorbike... 3 children - with a newly born baby hawak ng mother... MaMa Mia!

There is something wrong and twisted in the Pinoy psyche... probably because we have a twisted self image as a nation... too much image pollution - They claim there is individuality on Jeepney or Tricycle art... I beg to disagree... There is non... as a matter of fact - there is only a UNIFORMITY of CHAOS. Kahit pa anong graphic Air Brush or Sticker art ang gawin ng mga PINTOR KULAPOL sa mga rolling coffins na yan... they all still look the same.

Binobola na lang natin ang sarili natin when we say - Love our Own... Pinoy ata yan... Proudly Philippine made/ Maid.

Now came the underbone generation... same thing, they spent hundreds of thousands for accessorizing and undressing then customizing up their motorbikes... lowering it even... only to become one of the mortalities... or part of the statistics in a few weeks.

I have kept a file of Motorbike Road kills for the past 2 years... all photos taken from my camera whenever I go home late evening... Nagsawa na ako sa kakafile, kasi - it happens almost every week. I can hardly bare to look at the photos the seconds time I might not be able to sleep at all.

The Pinoy Macho wants to drink every weekends... and after drinking... it is more economical to ride the bike or drive the car than pay jeepney or taxi fare... This is a value they are willing to gamble upon... since they are normally able to get away with it most of the times.

With the new administration of PNoy... I believe it is easier to implement changes to curb this cultural disaster that has been brought upon by probably one of the most corrupted government our country ever had.

When corruption eats the boundaries of the peoples basic dignity... it will definitely distort the peoples - self worth.

Hopefully and Godwilling... We would be able to see an Exodus of OFW's back to their country... and realize that the best investment they can make is to educate their children in business management, industrial engineering/ design and other technology based studies or career paths.

It is sheer stupidity to be investing in a career path that will make one become a "No brainer" Service industry provider to the First World Masters.

Of course it can feed a family - its practical... it can even buy them a Suvic or a Brand New Japanese Junk!.

But it will never be able to build a country that will defy First world enslavement.

Why the Japs are conqueror by nature?... it has something to do with their subconscious heartbeat... If you have ever heard of the Tyco drum beats... it will make you feel like Genghis Khan conquering the whole Roman empire.... this is the heartbeat of Japan.

Now let's talk about the heartbeat of Juan dela Cruz.... Well.. it used to be the Kundiman.... during WW1 times... the March "Lupang Hinirang"... when it ends about Dying... "Mamatay ng dahil sa yo"... "Dahil sa yo" was also once a Pinoy Mantra in his subconscious mind... during the Marcos years... "Bayan ko"... by Ka Freddie... which portrays us Pinoys as a crying bird in a cage. If you notice, all theme points to HELPLESSNESS.

Ok, we probably have a heartbeat.... the sound you hear during fiestas... the Ati-atihan drum beats... What an ugly replication of trying hard wannabee sounding like some African tribes which is now influenced with the Chinese Dragon dance beat nowadays.

Walang wangwang.... At last! I have never heard Manila more quiet than ever... except for those ear aching sounds coming from deaf motorbike riders with some distorted sound system in their bikes.

Talagang Kulang sa pansin ang Pinoy motorist.. their typical vehicles - super loaded, super kinis, detailed, with accesories and even stuffed toys! ... Everything works! except the car.

Even the airplanes can hardly land in NAIA twice! or maybe more... all because of the unregulated smoke belched out of these shiny, clean Pinoy vehicles.

If one should make a point by point observation on what the Pinoy Vehicle and Motorist is... he could write a book about it. This too broad a subject to cover in one sitting.

There's more than meets the eye... nothing is what it really seems.

[kitsons]

Nice inputs and insights by ULS... I share the same views.

However, there is much bigger issue when it comes to the single motorcycle as the new Peoples car.

The motorbike is not a danger to the Filipino... it's the other way around.

In the 80's up to mid 90's if I remember well... the ethnic Minority of Pinoy Indians... were the only ones riding motorbikes... there's a few of them riding still. There are more of them riding in India... but they are more patient and less furious on the road.

The normal Pinoy is more furious as a driver or a rider... The moment they hold the wheel... they transform into another personality - most specially when they are driving a fast car or bike.

Likas na sa Pinoy ang magyabang ng ride niya... kahit nagugutom ang pamilya.

As a matter of fact - he is even willing to compromise the personal safety of his family makatipid lang sa pamasahe by putting them all on board his single motorbike... 3 children - with a newly born baby hawak ng mother... MaMa Mia!

There is something wrong and twisted in the Pinoy psyche... probably because we have a twisted self image as a nation... too much image pollution - They claim there is individuality on Jeepney or Tricycle art... I beg to disagree... There is non... as a matter of fact - there is only a UNIFORMITY of CHAOS. Kahit pa anong graphic Air Brush or Sticker art ang gawin ng mga PINTOR KULAPOL sa mga rolling coffins na yan... they all still look the same.

Binobola na lang natin ang sarili natin when we say - Love our Own... Pinoy ata yan... Proudly Philippine made/ Maid.

Now came the underbone generation... same thing, they spent hundreds of thousands for accessorizing and undressing then customizing up their motorbikes... lowering it even... only to become one of the mortalities... or part of the statistics in a few weeks.

I have kept a file of Motorbike Road kills for the past 2 years... all photos taken from my camera whenever I go home late evening... Nagsawa na ako sa kakafile, kasi - it happens almost every week. I can hardly bare to look at the photos the seconds time I might not be able to sleep at all.

The Pinoy Macho wants to drink every weekends... and after drinking... it is more economical to ride the bike or drive the car than pay jeepney or taxi fare... This is a value they are willing to gamble upon... since they are normally able to get away with it most of the times.

With the new administration of PNoy... I believe it is easier to implement changes to curb this cultural disaster that has been brought upon by probably one of the most corrupted government our country ever had.

When corruption eats the boundaries of the peoples basic dignity... it will definitely distort the peoples - self worth.

Hopefully and Godwilling... We would be able to see an Exodus of OFW's back to their country... and realize that the best investment they can make is to educate their children in business management, industrial engineering/ design and other technology based studies or career paths.

It is sheer stupidity to be investing in a career path that will make one become a "No brainer" Service industry provider to the First World Masters.

Of course it can feed a family - its practical... it can even buy them a Suvic or a Brand New Japanese Junk!.

But it will never be able to build a country that will defy First world enslavement.

Why the Japs are conqueror by nature?... it has something to do with their subconscious heartbeat... If you have ever heard of the Tyco drum beats... it will make you feel like Genghis Khan conquering the whole Roman empire.... this is the heartbeat of Japan.

Now let's talk about the heartbeat of Juan dela Cruz.... Well.. it used to be the Kundiman.... during WW1 times... the March "Lupang Hinirang"... when it ends about Dying... "Mamatay ng dahil sa yo"... "Dahil sa yo" was also once a Pinoy Mantra in his subconscious mind... during the Marcos years... "Bayan ko"... by Ka Freddie... which portrays us Pinoys as a crying bird in a cage. If you notice, all theme points to HELPLESSNESS.

Ok, we probably have a heartbeat.... the sound you hear during fiestas... the Ati-atihan drum beats... What an ugly replication of trying hard wannabee sounding like some African tribes which is now influenced with the Chinese Dragon dance beat nowadays.

Walang wangwang.... At last! I have never heard Manila more quiet than ever... except for those ear aching sounds coming from deaf motorbike riders with some distorted sound system in their bikes.

Talagang Kulang sa pansin ang Pinoy motorist.. their typical vehicles - super loaded, super kinis, detailed, with accesories and even stuffed toys! ... Everything works! except the car.

Even the airplanes can hardly land in NAIA twice! or maybe more... all because of the unregulated smoke belched out of these shiny, clean Pinoy vehicles.

If one should make a point by point observation on what the Pinoy Vehicle and Motorist is... he could write a book about it. This too broad a subject to cover in one sitting.

There's more than meets the eye... nothing is what it really seems.

Can't agree with you more ehnriko bout the subject just being too broad.

there is however an LCD for such broadness. the baseline is economics. Maximizing resources of presently deprived majority of the Filipino population makes them bit eth bullet so they gamble on whatever possibilities to cut cost and allow for them to get more value for the leittle income they get.

thing is if we can come up with an alternative safer vehicle with a bit more ample protection and lesser maintenance cost. Think good to pursue.

[April Boy]

Interesting thread...

BTw, found this in Manila Bulletin...I hope this can add to the discussion..

http://www.mb.com.ph/node/266692
MVDP IRR require 60% local content
For Philippine Utility Vehicle makers

By BERNIE CAHILES-MAGKILAT
July 13, 2010, 5:12pm
Manila Bulletin



Participants in the manufacture of Philippine Utility Vehicle (PhUV), a new classification under the new Motor Vehicle Development Program (MVDP), must meet a value-added of 40 percent in the first year of operation, provided the firm shall increase the value-added to 60 percent in the third year of operation, to qualify for benefits and incentives under the program.


Based on the latest draft of the Implementing Rules and Regulations of Executive Order 877-A otherwise known as the MVDP, the PhUV may fall under the Classification IV of the program. The three other regular program classifications are passenger cars, commercial vehicles and motorcycles.


The draft IRR has defined PhUV as a “power driven four-wheel vehicle that is locally manufactured from brand new driveline (engine, cooling system, transmission, differential, brake system, etc.) and chassis, used for carriage of at least ten (10) passengers and/or cargo, with gross vehicle weight (GVW) not exceeding 4.5 tons, provided it meets a value added of at least 60%. (proposed from 20% to scale up to 60%)(for review – similar to AUV).”


The value-added (VA) is computed as percent of sales shall be determined using the following formula: VA = [gross sales – (raw materials + utilities)]/gross sales x 100.


The addition of the PhUV is in support of the government’s goal to further develop the local automotive parts and components manufacturing industry and to come up with a vehicle model that is assembled only in the Philippines with a good potential for both local and exports markets.

The IRR has also required a PhUV participant to secure a long-term supply agreement.
For those assembling foreign-branded vehicles, the draft IRR has required these participants to obtain a Technical Licensing Agreement with the foreign original equipment manufacturer that will supply the knocked down parts and components and provide technology transfer, technical and production assistance and support services.

[ghosthunter]

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=66

[SIZE="4"]RP must choose between producing and importing automobiles - AmCham[/SIZE]
By Ma. Elisa P. Osorio (The Philippine Star)
Updated August 12, 2010 12:00 AM


MANILA, Philippines - The Philippines must choose between producing vehicles in the country or importing vehicles before crafting any new regulation in order to better support the auto industry.

In an interview, John Forbes, American Chamber of Commerce in the Philippines (AmCham) legislative committee chairman, said that in order to make the Philippines an attractive automobile manufacturing hub, there must be certain policies especially when it concerns the importation of used vehicles.

“There will be no real progress in the industry unless the smuggling of vehicles is eliminated,” Forbes said adding that there are reports that imported used vehicles are still on sale in the country. “The Philippines can’t have both smuggling and car production.”

“The country has already missed the boat of opportunity in the industry because the government could never get the correct policy,” Forbes stressed.

For instance, he said that exports of locally produced vehicles are very small. He noted that the Philippines exports about 3,000 vehicles while the neighboring countries are able to export so much more.

He said that although a strong domestic market is necessary, it is not enough in order to attract big car makers to locate or expand their assembly plants here.

For his part, Benjamin Sevilla, executive director of the Philippine Automotive Competitiveness Council Inc. (PACCI) said that Ford Motor Philippines, the lone exporter of vehicles in the country, is willing to expand their capacity should the government decide to increase the incentives given to car manufacturers who will be exporting their vehicles.

Toyota Motor Philippines (TMP) has echoed the same sentiment in a separate interview saying that their planned expansion of their Laguna plant will be dependent on the incentive scheme given by the government. TMP is proposing a production based incentive.

“Given the right level of incentives, the members of PACCI are willing to expand their capacity,” Sevilla said.

This is the reason why the industry is welcoming the decision of the Board of Investments (BOI) to create a new Motor Vehicle Development Plan (MVDP) specifically for exporters. He said this will help industry players in their bid to ramp up local production.