The 2010 MVDP: Feat. the "Filipino Car" or Philippine Brand Vehicles

[OyiL]

used second-hand vehicles daw. hindi surplus parts. "surplus" does not automatically mean "second-hand". our cheap cars need cheap parts to keep it cheap. para sa mahihirap na katulad namin.

[uls]

used second-hand vehicles daw. hindi surplus parts. "surplus" does not automatically mean "second-hand". our cheap cars need cheap parts to keep it cheap. para sa mahihirap.

DUH

surplus hindi 2nd hand?

Japan surplus means Japan used

kaya pag sinabi Japan surplus parts, used na yan galing Japan

galing ang mga parts na yan sa mga kinatay na sasakyan

pag sinabi mo cheap parts pwede cheap parts na brand new (either made in Taiwan or China pero usually China)

[ocanursjr]

uuuhm gh kulit mo naman e. Sabi ko nga ok lang ang 2nd hand car sales as long as from the local market galing.

Sabi na ngang ang nakakaaffect sa formal auto industry is smuggling . Kasi nangyari na nga during the heyday of SUBics.

The auto industry is at a comfortable growth now, theirsales are growing, WAG LANG PAYAGAN ULI ANG SUBICS. Ok?

Yun lang ang government legislation na importante ngayon, wag payagan ang smuggling.

For the junk yard dogs...Pakibasa yung post ni romski123...Ang kukulit...

[uls]

^^^

hey overseas worker drones, backread niyo mga posts ni jpdm

di lang used car imports ang gusto niya ma-ban

[niky]

used second-hand vehicles daw. hindi surplus parts. "surplus" does not automatically mean "second-hand". our cheap cars need cheap parts to keep it cheap. para sa mahihirap na katulad namin.

Our transport infrastructure is heavily reliant on surplus cars.

That's why the government exempts trucks and buses from the importation ban.

Almost all of the buses plying our roads are Japanese surplus. (the rest are Korean... ) Some adventuorous companies (tourist companies, schools, businesses that only need one or two buses) drop money on brand new Chinese buses... only to find them a poor substitute.

Ambulances and fire-trucks are exempt from import bans. Nearly all of our fire-trucks are surplus.

The majority of cargo trucks, as uls pointed out, are surplus.

Ban everything on the road that is a Japan surplus import, and our public utility transport and cargo infrastructure will collapse, even if you leave in the jeepneys which only use surplus motors and the "rebuilt" buses which are manufactured around surplus Japanese ladder-frames and engines.

Kaya nga sobrang selective yung ban ng government. Which is why the ban still doesn't help the local manufacturing sector that much. Why? Ano yung pinakamadaling gawin? Siyempre... cargo trucks and buses (weld a kahon onto da back of the backbone... pinished!). And yet, they allow fully-built units to be imported... so why will people buy remanufactured? Why not buy one that's already built, and cheaper?

And yet, even if you let them go on building bodies around surplus engines, there is no growth for these builders into foreign markets. Nobody outside the country will pay for rebuilt surplus from the Philippines... unless it's something like a vintage car restoration, like the group that built Fiat 500s out of Clark or MDJuan's Willy's replicas.

If you want the local manufacturing sector to grow, you have to ban everything... vehicles and parts. Use Japanese-style registration restrictions to force people to chage their old cars and bus companies to drop their gigantic rolling coffins off a cliff (Hey, it worked with taxi-companies). With the volume inherent in the bus/jeepney market, it's possible to get economies of scale if you limit the number of manufacturers supplying these (a government car company, perhaps?).

There you go. A thriving local, locally-owned, car industry. Using parts and engines that are already available on the market and with a big customer base. Sure, private car owners will feel bad about having to retire their seven to ten year old cars due to punishingly high registration costs and the expense of maintenance... sure, a lot of bus carriers and jeepney operators will go out of business... sure, the cost of cargo will go up, making the cost of living go up... sure, everyone will feel poorer... but we'll have a local car industry that is strong and thriving.

Seriously... Bus operators and Jeepney operators will recover... but here's the question: Sinong mas malakas sa Kongreso? The hundreds of thousands of operators and drivers, or the dozens of small local manufacturers?

[ghosthunter]

Just want to say...

Reality always wins over unfounded optimism.

[uls]

i'm not done

majority of heavy machinery, construction and earthmoving equipment here in the Phils. is JAPAN SURPLUS

what kind of equipment were used to dig the foundations of the buildings around us?

JAPAN SURPLUS EXCAVATORS

all that dirt that needs to be hauled away are scooped up by JAPAN SURPLUS LOADERS

and carried off in JAPAN SURPLUS DUMP TRUCKS

the roads you see

they were built using Japan used bulldozers and motor graders and vibro-rollers

the mining industry -- except for a few companies that can afford new equipment from Monark (Caterpillar) and Maxima (Komatsu), the rest all use JAPAN SURPLUS earthmoving equipment

every structure you see

all the cities in the country

they were built using Japan used equipment

so don't give me that crap about Japan used imports being all junk

if it's all junk, then the Philippines was built using junk

Ban all Japan used imports?

that i gotta see

push the country back to the stone age

some academic who can only post newspaper articles and go trying to push his vision of everything brand new

new cars and trucks... brand new everything

out-of-touch with reality

no real world experience

CAN THE CREDIT SYSTEM OF THE COUNTRY SUPPORT THAT BRAND NEW VISION OF YOURS?

can a low wage earner walk into a bank and come out with an approval for a car loan?

hey, tell the banks to lend everyone money so you'll have your everything-brand-new Philippines

BTW, get rid of all the PUJs and OTJs and rolling pieces of ethnic junk transport crap you're so proud of

di bagay mga yan sa everything-brand-new Philippines

[romski123]

It would be interesting to see how long older cars will stay running.

Those with cars 8 years and older in age can relate to this because I am sure most of you have purchased "surplus" car parts to fix something on your car.

Have you ever purchased surplus car parts to fix/repair your car?
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71343

it'll be like Cuba. They still have 50's model cars and they still run.

We can focus on music, dance and cigars

[jpdm]

I'm all in for the importation ban! No more junkyards...so no more OTJs, PUJs, "XLTs", whatnot. Let's see how long those 4BAs and 4Ks run without spare parts.

Hindi rin...OJTs, PUJs and XLTs should be forced to use new engines. If the article below is true, old jeepneys are not allowed anymore to register.

[SIZE=3]Here comes jeepney’s replacement, the Beep[/SIZE]

by Roy Pelovello
June 17, 2010
Manila Standard


http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGdFc78h...09/november/11


ABOUT half of the 400,000 jeepneys in the country may no longer be allowed to ply their routes next year following stricter registration standards, an official said yesterday.


Alberto Suansing, chairman of the Land Transportation Franchising and Regulatory Board, made the statement at the launching of the Beep, a combination bus and jeep, as an alternative to the jeepney, a modified version of the Jeep used by the US military during World War II.


The Beep was inspired by the European Gruau Microbus and is a project of Almazora Motors Corp. and Mitsubishi Motors Philippines.



“The [Land Transportation Office] has come up with new regulations on the inspection of motor vehicles, and we expect many public utility vehicles will not meet the requirements,” Suansing said.


“I would say almost 50 percent of the jeepney population will be affected.”
The LTO will require public utility vehicles—jeepneys in particular—to have speedometers, hand brakes, headlights and wipers, among other things, according to Joel Donato, head of the agency’s Motor Vehicle Inspection Service.



“We are implementing these requirements with the start of registration in January 2010,” he said.


Suansing said [SIZE=3]jeepney owners failing to comply with the new rules should start thinking of buying brand-new replacements—including the Beep.[/SIZE]
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A brand-new jeepney with a surplus engine costs around P450,000, and a new one with a new diesel engine is priced around P600,000.


By comparison, a Beep costs around P1.6 million. The Beep’s body is designed and manufactured by Almazora Motors, while the chassis with its brand-new FUSO Canter light-duty truck engine is supplied by Mitsubishi Motors Philippines. Mitsubishi says the engine complies fully with Philippine emission and safety regulations.



The Beep can carry 26 passengers, with seating for 18 including the driver and standing for eight.


“The first consideration here is safety. Some of [the jeepneys] are accidents waiting to happen, and then you have environmental concerns,” Suansing said, adding the LTO’s new requirements dovetailed with his agency’s goal of reducing the number of jeepneys on the streets and replacing them with the Beeps.


Almazora’s vice president for vehicle sales, Dante Santos, said the Beep could be the answer to Metro Manila’s worsening traffic and pollution problems.



He cited a government report saying jeepneys contribute 50 percent of the pollution in the area, and that the traffic flow there is choked “by oversized jeepneys with an excessive turning radius that usually clog the U-turn slots.”


Around 70,000 of the estimated 400,000 jeepneys in the country ply routes in Metro Manila.

[blue_gambit]

i'm not done

majority of heavy machinery, construction and earthmoving equipment here in the Phils. is JAPAN SURPLUS

what kind of equipment were used to dig the foundations of the buildings around us?

JAPAN SURPLUS EXCAVATORS

all that dirt that needs to be hauled away are scooped up by JAPAN SURPLUS LOADERS

and carried off in JAPAN SURPLUS DUMP TRUCKS

the roads you see

they were built using Japan used bulldozers and motor graders and vibro-rollers

the mining industry -- except for a few companies that can afford new equipment from Monark (Caterpillar) and Maxima (Komatsu), the rest all use JAPAN SURPLUS earthmoving equipment

every structure you see

all the cities in the country

they were built using Japan used equipment

so don't give me that crap about Japan used imports being all junk

if it's all junk, then the Philippines was built using junk

Ban all Japan used imports?

that i gotta see

push the country back to the stone age

some academic who can only post newspaper articles and go trying to push his vision of everything brand new

new cars and trucks... brand new everything

out-of-touch with reality

no real world experience

CAN THE CREDIT SYSTEM OF THE COUNTRY SUPPORT THAT BRAND NEW VISION OF YOURS?

can a low wage earner walk into a bank and come out with an approval for a car loan?

hey, tell the banks to lend everyone money so you'll have your everything-brand-new Philippines

BTW, get rid of all the PUJs and OTJs and rolling pieces of ethnic junk transport crap you're so proud of

di bagay mga yan sa everything-brand-new Philippines

To change everything to brand spankingly new means cost. Big cost to everyone, which at the bottom of the food chain consumers take the full blunt of. The PUJ for example, if it was replaced with an all-new vehicle, can the driver and operators live with a P7 minimum fare charge? NO!
If you increase the minimum fare, how much of a burden would that be to the commuting public whose salary is way way way below the international standards... an amount which business men and employers are reluctant to give or cannot afford...

Siguro dapat lakihan muna salary ng Ordinaryong tao, para maging economically sound and feasible yang ganyan. It takes such a huge amount to establish a motor company that can compete internationally, say $2 Billion for starters? Bakit wala sa mga billionaires and politicians start it?