The 2010 MVDP: Feat. the "Filipino Car" or Philippine Brand Vehicles

[ghosthunter]

you always agree with each other.

Can't help it if great minds think alike.

[niky]

then the semi knocked down should be the way to go. they wont have to set-up a new plant toyota, mitsubishi, honda, nissan to be able to make the model available without importing.

Ideally, yes, and I support this. Unfortunately, that pesky free-trade zone law we signed into effectively removes the need for manufacturers to do this. Sadly. The free trade agreement should give us the chance to penetrate other markets... or would if the cost of doing business locally were actually competitive enough that we could do this. Hopefully the Chinese can be persuaded to use the Philippines as their ASEAN springboard.

huh? why would he ask himself the question "secondhand local vs secondhand imported" then? obviously, there is confusion here.

Why wouldn't he? What's the most common question you see here on tsikot when somebody asks about an import?

"Okay ba ang Pajero na Subic? Kumpara sa local?"

"Okay ba ang Honda Jazz na galing Japan? Mas maganda ba ito kaysa sa local?"

I don't know about you... but after years of seeing these questions, that's always the theme. Not whether they'd be better off buying secondhand or brand new. Take time to dig up the threads and see what the buyers are actually thinking.

secondhand subic pajeros vs secondhand local pajeros: meron ngang distinction. may bumibili pa rin nung secondhand local pajero dahil hindi converted. may bumibili nung seconhand subic pajero because they can have it for the same price as a local secondhand adventure, pero pajero na. so ang totoong magkatapat ay not the same model but the next lower model of the somewhat similar type. still they are competing with locally produced cars.

And they are still competing with secondhand cars. Not brand new ones.

again. its about letting go of their old cars to use the money to buy a new one as replacement. these old cars that they want to replace are bought by them brand new. you should always consider resale value when buying a car, especially if its brand new.

As I pointed out... the resale value of old cars and the asking prices are not negatively affected by Subic imports. Resale value does matter to some people, but it's a pointless proposition. Do I feel bad that my car's resale value is about 100k less than a comparable Honda's? Yes. Do I feel bad that my car's brand new selling price was about 150k less than a comparable Honda's? Obviously not.

The only cars nowadays with high resale value are economical cars. And these are usually cheap, bare models. Too bad we all missed the Picanto bandwagon... If you bought a Picanto when it was launched, resale value after three years was 100%. :hysterical: If all people cared about was resale value, nobody would buy anything except Honda Jazzes and Isuzu Crosswinds.

And yet the best-selling list is topped by Toyota Fortuners, Mitsubishi Monteros and Hyundai Tucsons, so apparently not all people feel that way.

Sure the Fort's resale is good for a luxury car, but losing half a million pesos in depreciation after just three years doesn't strike me as sound business sense. Whadayathink?

I wonder what BMW owners think when they lose around 1.5 million in residuals after three years of owning their stupidly expensive to maintain cars? They're probably thinking: "Maybe I should trade up to a new model... I want a red one this time..."

but he did say he sells something. then he mentioned subic imports. and he hasnt denied it yet.

I don't really care, it's up to him to confirm or deny it if he actually wants to. I just find it amusing that you're all so happy that he's said this... like it was the end of a Hardy Boy's mystery or something.

so why not just ask the local manufacturers to come up with a cheap model than can be bought brand new at the same price as subic imports.

Ideally, they should. But no amount of cost-cutting will get a brand new Pajero to cost as little as any secondhand Pajero.

And again, nobody looking at a secondhand Pajero is going to want a brand-new Vios, even if they're the same price.

port irene cars are taxed but lower. some people say that cars that come from here cannot be registered in manila. personally, i think they just went around legislation to have done it this way.

The government's problem. They're the ones who bollixed up the import laws and left the damn loopholes. Personally, I would favor allowing imports, then slap them with a 50% tax based on brand new value (escalating to the same 100% tax that high-end vehicles pay), rather than the stupid scrap value that importers claim them at, and force them to undergo a rigorous and (more importantly) expensive MOT-style test as they do in the UK. That would literally kill the market for secondhand Japanese imports... if they were forced to use brand-new equipment to convert to LHD and had to pay proper tax, they wouldn't be able to undercut the prices of local surplus cars.

The only buyers then, for imports, would be the collectors who crave rare cars which were not sold here... everyone else would go back to scrounging the classifieds for local. Everyone's happy.

nobody said that uls is a smuggler.

Innuendo is a wonderful thing, isn't it?
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[niky]

actually Niky ok lang ang importation of 2nd hand engines. kasi kikita pa rin ang chassis maker, ang body maker, and mekaniko, ang assembler etc. maraming trickle down.

dati ang choices lang brand new or mag assemble ako ng owner jeep.

and the quality level was far from the brand new cars.

what really killed the local auto industry was the subic 2nd hand smuggled imports.

buo na kasi at murang mura. pano kasi ang kumita lang yung smuggler. Walang effect sa economy.

there where years when subic vehicles were at their peak (in fairness medyo nabawasan na) less than 20 percent of all newly registered cars were from the formal brand new assemblers.

Kaya tayo napag iwanan ng Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia.the S-U-Bics were just too much for the formal assemblers. Buo na kasi at sobrang mura.

Other countries don't allow 2nd hand vehicles to protect their auto industry. sa atin lang pinayagan. kaya ganyan ang nangyari.

Smuggled cars, yes, were a problem... but that's not an issue of importation per se, but of the lack of enforcement to protect our industry.

In a country where a ship can just pull up to shore and dump hundreds of surplus scooters off on an unmarked beach, protection for local industry is a big problem, despite the laws that exist to protect it.

Sadly, it's also difficult to write a law that would only allow spare parts and not leave loopholes for people to simply cut cars in half and weld them back together again when they get here (yes, I'm familiar with this trick, though I would never ever trust my life to something like that!).

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Quality is a problem... and perceived quality. Owner-types are going the way of the dinosaur because they're not progressing in technology, and for the cost of assembling one with a surplus engine, you can already buy cheap manufactured secondhands... and no longer just Subic imports... there's even more competition now from locally sold cars that have depreciated in value to near rock-bottom levels. The smuggled Subic cars may have started the trend, but the maturing market and growing supply of locally bought secondhands are what will finally kill the cottage industry.

At least there will always be room for small-scale manufacture of Wrangler-types for the off-road enthusiasts, and Willys reproductions such as yours, but in today's world, backyard assemblers are likely going to go the way of the dodo, unless new products and concepts are found that they could sell for a good price and that people will actually want. Small chinese companies may, ironically, point the way forward.

Heck, even specialists are in trouble. For the life of me, I still can't find the shop in Laguna that sells the Suzuki-based micro-owner types. I really wanted to do a feature on them!

[ghosthunter]

Our local auto manufacturing industry is ailing not because of smuggling.

It is simply a symptom of a sick economy.

In a sick economy, people don't buy a lot of expensive goods.

The typical pinoy income is barely enough to keep the typical Juan dela Cruz in shelter, fed, educated and healthy.

Brand new cars is an expensive luxury that only the fortunate few can afford.

Yet for those who need personal transport, many opt for scooters and motorcycles.

Scooters & motorcycles are cheap to buy and cheap to operate.

Government protectionism policies can only help so much, but if the people dont buy enough new cars, even the most drastic protectionism policies will not help.

The average pinoy motorist is also to blame.

We tend to keep our cars on the road longer than other countries.

We tend to keep our cars ten years, fifteen years, twenty years after leaving the car's showroom.

Old cars still being used by the Pinoy motorist prevent new cars from being sold.

Assuming a car's model life is five years... a 15 year old car means it has kept at least two new cars from being sold by the car dealers.

So why does the typical Pinoy keep his car for so long?

The answer is simple. New cars are expensive.

Why are new cars expensive? There are too many taxes, fees, profits, commissions added to the cost of the car that the final selling price has increased 30%, 40% to even 50% above the price in other surrounding countries.

So if cars are expensive, people don't buy a new car often.

Expensive cars in a sick economy results in even less new cars to be sold.

The solution is obvious ... but everyone involved wants their share of the honeypot and then some.

Hence everyone loses.

[olidotcom]

+1 ako dyan.... mahal talaga. tapos mababa pa kinikita ang average filipino. even i have my own problems maintaining my 1 year old vehicle... natatakot pa nga ako sa mga gastos na dadating when i read some of the feedbacks / threads regarding repair and such.

[romski123]

Can't help it if great minds think alike.

kambal yata kayo e

[ocanursjr]

ocanusjr, are you saying that you dont believe that uls sells imported used cars because he's in here in tsikot all the time?

How come he can sell a used cars? He's one of the many characters in tsikot.com 24/7...walang tulugan

He's sending us a message how legitimate businessman he is...isama mo na yung echo nya... kilala mo yan * OyiL

[ocanursjr]

Can't help it if great minds think alike.

That"s funny...

[romski123]

Our local auto manufacturing industry is ailing not because of smuggling.

It is simply a symptom of a sick economy.

In a sick economy, people don't buy a lot of expensive goods.

The typical pinoy income is barely enough to keep the typical Juan dela Cruz in shelter, fed, educated and healthy.

Brand new cars is an expensive luxury that only the fortunate few can afford.

Yet for those who need personal transport, many opt for scooters and motorcycles.

Scooters & motorcycles are cheap to buy and cheap to operate.

Government protectionism policies can only help so much, but if the people dont buy enough new cars, even the most drastic protectionism policies will not help.

The average pinoy motorist is also to blame.

We tend to keep our cars on the road longer than other countries.

We tend to keep our cars ten years, fifteen years, twenty years after leaving the car's showroom.

Old cars still being used by the Pinoy motorist prevent new cars from being sold.

Assuming a car's model life is five years... a 15 year old car means it has kept at least two new cars from being sold by the car dealers.

So why does the typical Pinoy keep his car for so long?

The answer is simple. New cars are expensive.

cars are more expensive in other countries. I agree that economy and spending power play a vital role.

kaya lang lets confine it to the auto industry muna. we have to choose our battles. economy is too broad.

lets just focus on the 150 to 200 thousand people who can buy a new car yearly. I dont mean that they buy cars every year, but every year this is the number of new cars sold.This is a big enough industry. although it represents a very small percentage of the population, it is still quite a big industry . we should protect this industry. kaya lang when we started smuggling SUB-ics the sales of brand new cars were extremely affected.

Ngayon nag iimprove na. Car companies are increasing sales. Sana tumulouy tuloy na.

dapat di na payagan ang second hand.

[uls]

How come he can sell a used cars? He's one of the many characters in tsikot.com 24/7...walang tulugan

He's sending us a message how legitimate businessman he is...isama mo na yung echo nya... kilala mo yan * OyiL

hahaha

obviously, sombody doesnt know how things work

somebody thinks you gotta be out there chasing clients all day to sell Japan imports

somebody doesnt know that all you need is yard, a small office, and a sign that says "Japan Surplus"

and an internet connection so you'll have something to do all day

somebody's thinking field salesman

hahahaha